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Bastion Immune from EW

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passey
Buttery Biscuit Squad
#1 - 2013-11-24 09:36:39 UTC
Entering Bastion makes you immune from EW

Does vamps / neuts count as EW?
Heavensend
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2013-11-24 09:56:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Heavensend
As far as i know Ewar actions are tracking disruption, target painting, sensor dampening and ecm.

So no immunity to being neuted in PvE or PvP.
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2013-11-24 10:18:34 UTC
Heavensend wrote:
As far as i know Ewar actions are tracking disruption, target painting, sensor dampening and ecm.

So no immunity to being neuted in PvE or PvP.



You forgot webs, warp disruptors and scramblers.

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Tul Breetai
Impromptu Asset Requisition
#4 - 2013-11-24 10:46:51 UTC
passey wrote:
Entering Bastion makes you immune from EW

Does vamps / neuts count as EW?

I forget the exact terminology, but bear with me:

Neuts, scrams/points, webs are primary ewar. TD, TP, ECM, and damps are secondary ewar. Bastion makes you immune to secondary ewar.

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#5 - 2013-11-24 11:17:39 UTC
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Heavensend wrote:
As far as i know Ewar actions are tracking disruption, target painting, sensor dampening and ecm.

So no immunity to being neuted in PvE or PvP.



You forgot webs, warp disruptors and scramblers.


Those are moot, since using the Bastion immobilises you anyway,

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Gnadolin
Space Pioneers
#6 - 2013-11-24 14:34:42 UTC
Neuts and Vamps are Engeneering Modules and are not classified as EWAR, thus are not affected by Bastion.
James Sunder
572 CORP
#7 - 2013-11-24 18:30:47 UTC
Simple answer is vamps and neuts can still be used on you while you are in bastion.

It is not a matter of are they ewar or not. The real question is are they remote effect modules and if they are the wording under the bastion modules description is confusing.

"This results in a greatly increased rate of defensive self-sustenance and a boost to the ship's overall damage resistances. It also extends the reach of all the vessel's weapon systems, allowing it to engage targets at farther ranges. Due to the ionic field created by the bastion module, all remote effects - from friend or foe both - will not affect the ship while in bastion mode."

So this wording should be changed so as not to confuse people.

Something like with the exception of vamps and neuts would help.
GanSkla
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2013-11-24 20:32:10 UTC
James Sunder wrote:
Simple answer is vamps and neuts can still be used on you while you are in bastion.

It is not a matter of are they ewar or not. The real question is are they remote effect modules and if they are the wording under the bastion modules description is confusing.

"This results in a greatly increased rate of defensive self-sustenance and a boost to the ship's overall damage resistances. It also extends the reach of all the vessel's weapon systems, allowing it to engage targets at farther ranges. Due to the ionic field created by the bastion module, all remote effects - from friend or foe both - will not affect the ship while in bastion mode."

So this wording should be changed so as not to confuse people.

Something like with the exception of vamps and neuts would help.


So much for the incursion spider tanking thoughts.. Bastion stops all remotes from friendly, if I read that right?
Lady Naween
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2013-11-24 20:45:42 UTC
yes you cannot be remote repped in bastion
Redora
C.A.R.E.
B.E.A.R.S.
#10 - 2013-11-26 16:52:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Redora
Was just Neuted by Blood npcs in a mission in my Bastion'ed Kronos.

Bastion appears to stop: Webs, Disruptors/Scrams, Tracking Disruptors, Damps, ECM, and Painters.

It does NOT stop Neutralizers as far as I can tell. I would guess that it therefore also doesn't stop Nos.
Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2013-11-26 17:43:03 UTC
It looks like whatever you fit in mid slots: td, web, disruptor, tp, ecm, etc. are countered by bastion.

Whatever you fit in high slot: nos, neut, are not countered by bastion.

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RoCkEt X
Hostile.
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
#12 - 2013-11-26 23:20:22 UTC
Nos/neuts are 'capacitor warfare' and are not classed as EWAR, consider bastion mode to be like a dread's siege module. You are immune to ewar, but you can sill be pointed by a HIC whilst in bastion mode, and you can still be neuted.

Remote assistance modules including tracking links, remote sensor boosters and remote eccm, and shield/armor/cap xfers are all 'remote assistance' based modules, and will not work either.

Hope this helps,
-Rock
crononyx
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2013-11-27 10:34:16 UTC
Simple answer: everything that is under "Electronic Warfare" section on market is EWAR (neuts are not there) and bastion prevents those. Plus all targeted friendly modules (reps, remote sebos).
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2013-11-27 10:47:41 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Heavensend wrote:
As far as i know Ewar actions are tracking disruption, target painting, sensor dampening and ecm.

So no immunity to being neuted in PvE or PvP.



You forgot webs, warp disruptors and scramblers.


Those are moot, since using the Bastion immobilises you anyway,



Not moot at ALL. Because you cannot scram the ship and pay attention on the rest of battlefield so that when it leaves bastion it cannot wrap.

Would be incredibly daft to not be able to realize that...

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
GanSkla
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2013-12-01 09:46:36 UTC
So you wait until one of these MJD Mission Marauders leaves Bastion and they are pretty much glass cannons with paper defense? I figure they are not worried about defense and more about DPS to do the missions quicker.