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Martial Arts of IGS Capsuleers?
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Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#21 - 2013-11-26 07:06:52 UTC
I have been known to fly a spaceship armed with weapons from time to time.
Dangirdas Bachir
The Exiled Titans
Two Vargurs one Hole
#22 - 2013-11-26 07:52:53 UTC
Close quarter combat is useless in space. Especially if you're a capsuleer, it's rather for hobby and show. If you really want to take someone out, you blow up their ship and capsule, and you keep on going until the ****** cancels his clone contract and kills him self off.

EVE EVE STARGALACTIC CITY B I T C H
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#23 - 2013-11-26 08:29:12 UTC
I have a few I am learning right now:

Way of the Kestrel, Raging Rocket Style.

Way of the Merlin, Flaming Blaster Style.

Way of the Caracal, Many Missile One Strike Style.

Learning unarmed CQC as a capsuleer just seems like bringing a knife to a hydrogen bomb fight personally.

Kurilaivonen|Concern
Samoth Egnoled
Caldari Provisions
#24 - 2013-11-26 08:29:30 UTC
I am familiar with several 'Martial Art's' as you call them.... I know not of their names, only that they were.... 'programmed' i supposed would be the best way to describe it, into me during the Experiments.
Kazha Cavin-Guang
Doomheim
#25 - 2013-11-26 09:15:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Kazha Cavin-Guang
Within the monasteries and temple ships of the Guang Sect of Adakul, I cannot speak for the other sects, but we teach many forms, passed from generation to generation. I lead my crew in T'ai chi ch'uan at the beginning of each daily cycle. This practice is to focus our minds, and meditation often follows afterwards.

Wing Tsun is a favorite form of mine, using your own central balance, and practiced foot work to keep close to your opponent.
I don't know why people seem to question the "point" of martial arts, though. I was taught, that for thousands of years martial arts has been used not solely as a way of defense, but to focus the mind and discipline your body, and to flaunt it needlessly, or to enter into angered conflict is not the correct way to attaining enlightenment through martial skill.

Peace be upon you, Kazha Cavin-Guang.
Cuci Cairi
#26 - 2013-11-26 15:02:29 UTC
Kazha Cavin-Guang wrote:
Within the monasteries and temple ships of the Guang Sect of Adakul, I cannot speak for the other sects, but we teach many forms, passed from generation to generation. I lead my crew in T'ai chi ch'uan at the beginning of each daily cycle. This practice is to focus our minds, and meditation often follows afterwards.

Wing Tsun is a favorite form of mine, using your own central balance, and practiced foot work to keep close to your opponent.
I don't know why people seem to question the "point" of martial arts, though. I was taught, that for thousands of years martial arts has been used not solely as a way of defense, but to focus the mind and discipline your body, and to flaunt it needlessly, or to enter into angered conflict is not the correct way to attaining enlightenment through martial skill.


Plenty of people here have said they use them for spiritual reasons or for fitness. It is the practicality in any sense of "martial" that is questioned.
Seriphyn Inhonores
Elusenian Cooperative
#27 - 2013-11-26 15:06:47 UTC
Goddess almighty, is there a capsuleer who ISN'T trained in martial arts?
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#28 - 2013-11-26 15:08:00 UTC
I've picked up a few ground-based skills that I've had need of to save my hide once or twice. It is true that if you pick up those skills then you tend to put yourself in positions where you need to use them more often but, frankly, if someone does catch me out of pod, I'm damned if I'm going to give them an easy kill.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
#29 - 2013-11-26 15:10:47 UTC
Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:
Goddess almighty, is there a capsuleer who ISN'T trained in martial arts?

sup

Well, I could probably make a nuisance of myself with a soldering iron.

Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#30 - 2013-11-26 15:27:01 UTC
Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:
Goddess almighty, is there a capsuleer who ISN'T trained in martial arts?


Lots of capsuleers come from military or security backgrounds. Plenty of us are vain and image-conscious. Also physical exercise is an important component in a mental health regimen, while martial arts are not only good exertion, but they're also fun and social activities that you get the best results out of when you have a sparring partner.

I'm not surprised at all that most of us have at least dabbled.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders
Anja Suorsa
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#31 - 2013-11-26 15:40:55 UTC
I actually find myself agreeing with Inhonores. I think I need a lie down.
Kazha Cavin-Guang
Doomheim
#32 - 2013-11-26 16:29:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Kazha Cavin-Guang
Cuci Cairi wrote:
Plenty of people here have said they use them for spiritual reasons or for fitness. It is the practicality in any sense of "martial" that is questioned.


"Martial" when used in the term "martial arts" no longer carries the same connotations. Martial when used on its own means, related to war, or conflict. Whereas the term "martial arts" carries the definition of mastery of the body, or a form of sport from certain cultures. I do not see why the "martial" aspect is being questioned in this case. This day and age, people know that it is not a popular tool in the arsenal of war or conflict, but that it is a way to hone the mind and the body. For some, a hobby, for some, a way of life.

I believe this thread was not to question the practicality of the sport, or hobby, but to discuss which forms are used, and by whom. Not to question those who pursue martial arts, but to discuss it, itself.

I find it good that so many practice martial arts, it keeps us active, and our minds well.

Peace be upon you, Kazha Cavin-Guang.
Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#33 - 2013-11-26 17:39:07 UTC
Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:
Goddess almighty, is there a capsuleer who ISN'T trained in martial arts?


Probably not many. Aside from Stitcher's previously mentioned points, many people require us to learn some sort of melee expertise simply by culture. I've very rarely had to use those skills in real combat, and I spend more time out of pod and prone to engage in it than other capsuleers, I suspect. However, I practice both fencing and various forms of Muraga Va every day or so, moreso the latter as part of my physical exercise.

Martial arts tend to be a fairly deep part of warrior culture, which most of our societies have to one degree or another. Even we capsuleers don't feel like being embarrassed when we go home and are challenged.

"What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"

-Matthew 16:26
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#34 - 2013-11-26 17:51:13 UTC
Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:
Goddess almighty, is there a capsuleer who ISN'T trained in martial arts?


Weren't YOU in the service at one point? Don't tell me they skipped basic hand-to-hand?

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#35 - 2013-11-26 18:14:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Silas Vitalia
Constantin Baracca wrote:
Even we capsuleers don't feel like being embarrassed when we go home and are challenged.



Physical strength is largely irrelevant in the sorts of challenges a capsuleer faces. Emotional and mental strength are what matters for us.

That someone can out-dance me with a knife in person seems rather amusing when I can incinerate a ship with thousands of crew from a hundred kilometers with a monstrous machine around me bound to my will.


Ours is the arena of the stars, and the ships therein, and of the will power necessary to move them.

Sabik now, Sabik forever
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2013-11-26 18:15:13 UTC
Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:
Goddess almighty, is there a capsuleer who ISN'T trained in martial arts?

What, did you think I train a martial art to be "cool" or something?

I don't want my physical body to wither into a feeble, wheezing husk, but problematically I spend a lot of my time nearly motionless and essentially comatose in a vat of fluid. Having a regimen keeps the body fit and the mind sharp, and given that what I practice is a traditional martial art it's one of the ways I connect with my culture. Surely a man who constantly vaunts the Federation's multiculturalism wouldn't begrudge me that.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#37 - 2013-11-26 18:23:02 UTC
Silas Vitalia wrote:
Constantin Baracca wrote:
Even we capsuleers don't feel like being embarrassed when we go home and are challenged.



Physical strength is largely irrelevant in the sorts of challenges a capsuleer faces. Emotional and mental strength are what matters for us.

That someone can out-dance me with a knife in person seems rather amusing when I can incinerate a ship with thousands of crew from a hundred kilometers with a monstrous machine around me bound to my will.


Ours is the arena of the stars, and the ships therein, and of the will power necessary to move them.


You might have been better served talking about the unarmed combat. My freedman relatives beat me easily in hand-to-hand combat, but I actually competed on an imperial level in fencing. So not only can I assault ships with missiles, but I do not often get out-danced with sharp instruments either.

Of the three, fencing requires the most discipline. I wouldn't be able to do my job if I had not learned the mental skills fencing taught me.

"What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"

-Matthew 16:26
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#38 - 2013-11-26 19:44:37 UTC
I have tried once or twice out of curiosity. Some khanid variants...

But I am better at the art of trying to reach the top of a shelf to grab a stubborn book...
Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#39 - 2013-11-26 19:50:07 UTC
Brother Baracca,

If someone wants to kill you out of your capsule, hand-to-hand skills will be quite irrelevant in an age of high powered weapons of rather high destructive capability. I'm sure your blade will do well against a high powered rifle from a kilometer away?

Those that -do- use close range weapons, such as Clone Troopers, are augmented to such a degree as to snap your sword arm in half with little effort.

Leave the physical to those suited. Your potential and arena as a capsuleer is of a much more devastating sort.

Sabik now, Sabik forever
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#40 - 2013-11-26 19:50:24 UTC
Silas Vitalia wrote:
Physical strength is largely irrelevant in the sorts of challenges a capsuleer faces. Emotional and mental strength are what matters for us.

That someone can out-dance me with a knife in person seems rather amusing when I can incinerate a ship with thousands of crew from a hundred kilometers with a monstrous machine around me bound to my will.


Ours is the arena of the stars, and the ships therein, and of the will power necessary to move them.


Discipline in the lesser aids in the pursuit of the greater. Don't be quick to write off the benefits of a personal training regimen just because of the difference in scale.

A large part of Taistoiitsu is about positioning, applying force where it will do the most good, and remaining calm and balanced in a hectic scenario. All of which, I think you'll agree, is applicable to starship combat, on an abstract level.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders