EVE General Discussion

But that is easy to say after the company is well stablished . Eve started 10 years ago, with a very small team with very few resources that needed to code as fast as possible to finish within the money constraints they had. For sure now they have things documented, but as in almost all startups they probably do not have things well organized at start.

The absolute majority of startups that try to go slow and organized from start simply fail because they cannot hold the time needed to deliver the product this way.

There is no hyperbole. Just take some more time to read my words.

Firstly, "hundreds to thousands people" =/= "hundreds of thousands people".
Second, I have yet to see another mmo where you are able to fight with a thousand people without being lagged to death and/or crashed to desktop. Or even 500. Those are rare, if not non-existent.
Especially knowing that the engine and codes weren't designed to that purpose and had to be worked on over time to be adapted. So my point stands.

Of course TiDi hit when we start to reach a limit. It's been said already that TiDi is not a solution by itself, but a way to manage the excesses. Because what has also been said over and over, each time the limit is raised, people will bring more ships and break through the limit, then complain about the consequences and how bad CCP is doing their job.
Again, I've yet to see on other mmo's smooth fights with hundreds of people, and possible fights with thousands. Over the last 10 years, the limit never ceased to be raised, but the more you push it, the more difficult it is to make it work.

Because there is technical limits that can hardly be overreach. Because there is human ressources and worktime limits. Because there is financial limits.
There's a lot of limits that linked together make it hard to change it all overnight, and that's something that you hardly see from a player perspective.


Then about the 50k number (which is not an "expectation" per se as it has been reached a couple times and demonstrated that the server is able to run with that much people logged in without problem), will 40k make you feel better ? Or even 30k ?
Because it doesn't alter my point. Here again, I've yet to see a classic mmo server with such complex mechanics running fine with that much people on a single server.

CCP has been pushing the limits for years, in an unprecedented fashion in the field of online gaming and mmo. As a player and a customer, you can indeed ask them to do better, but you can't decently ask them the impossible.


What's moronic is to think that each time an employee moves out, he's taking with him the processes of work and the accumulated knowledge and work done over the projects of the company. That's not how a company works, especially in that specific field.
People of good faith who's been playing for long enough can only see that CCP does work as a company and as a team, and that they are good at it.

There's issues, there's probably more to be done to solve them, but you can't expect a perfect situation with limited ressources.

500.000 subs x 14 euro give 7mil euro per month, do CCP realy need kikstarter ? :D

Ofc i dont tak about pure profit, they are big company with meny offices and members, they pay a lot to keept game healthy also think that they need to pay for serwer electricity that need a small power plant.

These days Game industry and developing cost a lot money milions of dolars, espetialy if we talk about still growing product.

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