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Interceptors and Nullifying!
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Konnore
Sons of Zeus.
The Initiative.
#1 - 2013-11-25 00:59:10 UTC
I agreed with all in Rubicon expansion, all but nullifiers interceptors!

I try to lock a Taranis with my Ares (2349 scan resolution) and it warped off before I blink my eyes.
Ceptors are extremely fast anyway, they don't need that immunity!


After all "nullifying" was a privillege of Tech3 ships and I believe that we must keep it like this!

If we realy need a nullifying frigate, we should start thinking the creation of a T3 frigate in EVE Online, with the skill-loss penalty and a corresponding price!




Thank you for your time
K.
Iudicium Vastus
Doomheim
#2 - 2013-11-25 01:07:32 UTC
A KM got away, darn. Keeps you up at night doesn't it.
Oh well, HTFU.

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Gigan Amilupar
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2013-11-25 01:13:19 UTC
How does this have anything to do with interceptor nullification? Nullified ships aren't affected by warp bubbles, they can still be pointed and scrammed. It seems your issue is that it was able to align and warp out before you were able to lock it or get a point on it, it has nothing to do with it being nullified, unless this engagement of yours took place in a warp bubble.
Endovior
PFU Consortium
#4 - 2013-11-25 01:16:26 UTC
Disagree... and I don't even fly Interceptors (though I'm certainly considering it, now).

Remember that the new change is immunity to non-targeted interdiction... so they waltz through bubbles, but can still be pointed or scrammed. They don't have a point range bonus or anything, so anything they get close enough to point can point them back, leaving them with much the same risks as before. The only difference is that they can sneak past gatecamps easier, and circumvent safety bubbles. That's reasonable.
Konnore
Sons of Zeus.
The Initiative.
#5 - 2013-11-25 01:17:23 UTC
Gigan Amilupar wrote:
How does this have anything to do with interceptor nullification? Nullified ships aren't affected by warp bubbles, they can still be pointed and scrammed. It seems your issue is that it was able to align and warp out before you were able to lock it or get a point on it, it has nothing to do with it being nullified, unless this engagement of yours took place in a warp bubble.



with that I wanded to say that "Ceptors are extremely fast anyway, they don't need that immunity!"

focus on the point! not on my Scan resolution!
Konnore
Sons of Zeus.
The Initiative.
#6 - 2013-11-25 01:18:12 UTC
Iudicium Vastus wrote:
A KM got away, darn. Keeps you up at night doesn't it.
Oh well, HTFU.


You need the kill mails more than I do for sure m8!
Endovior
PFU Consortium
#7 - 2013-11-25 01:19:53 UTC
Konnore wrote:
with that I wanded to say that "Ceptors are extremely fast anyway, they don't need that immunity!"

focus on the point! not on my Scan resolution!


So, your point is that they're fast enough to burn out of bubbles anyways, which means that there's no need for them to be immune to bubbles? You could've said that more directly, then. Regardless, continue to disagree; it's a minor advantage, but one that can set up some cool possibilities. Not at all overpowered, and quite a reasonable change.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#8 - 2013-11-25 01:28:55 UTC
Set up a smartbombing camp at the next gate? Interceptors don't really have a lot of HP.

How did you Veterans start?
Sarah Stallman
Pen2 Logistics
#9 - 2013-11-25 05:21:16 UTC
I've been expected for months that any sizable fleet will have vanguards of interceptors where each side is jockying for position rather than actually fighting. I'm amazed it isn't happening yet.
Mole Guy
Bob's Bait and Tackle
#10 - 2013-11-25 05:30:32 UTC
Gigan Amilupar wrote:
How does this have anything to do with interceptor nullification? Nullified ships aren't affected by warp bubbles, they can still be pointed and scrammed. It seems your issue is that it was able to align and warp out before you were able to lock it or get a point on it, it has nothing to do with it being nullified, unless this engagement of yours took place in a warp bubble.

um, yer so far from wrong on this.
i love the new changes, but with the old way, a bubble could keep a ceptor from warping off. that way it would be locked by a fast locker and pointed. from then on, they could be killed.

now, they ceptor is in warp before its visible. bubble means nothing.

i think thats kewl, personally.
Hopelesshobo
Hoboland
#11 - 2013-11-25 06:15:04 UTC
Endovior wrote:
They don't have a point range bonus or anything, so anything they get close enough to point can point them back, leaving them with much the same risks as before.


Half of the interceptors have a 5% range bonus per level to scrams and disruptors.

Lowering the average to make you look better since 2012.
Konnore
Sons of Zeus.
The Initiative.
#12 - 2013-11-25 11:12:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Konnore
1. so far Nullification was a privilege of Sleeper's Technology

2. ceptors costs so little to have that privillege

3. if a ceptor is able to have that technology, why a Nyx or an Avatar cannot have it???


so sipmle!




im not saying to quit having nullifying frigs... but we realy need to pay A LOT more to have that tech...
Seranova Farreach
Biomass Negative
#13 - 2013-11-25 12:10:17 UTC
Konnore wrote:
1. so far Nullification was a privilege of Sleeper's Technology

2. ceptors costs so little to have that privillege

3. if a ceptor is able to have that technology, why a Nyx or an Avatar cannot have it???


so sipmle!




im not saying to quit having nullifying frigs... but we realy need to pay A LOT more to have that tech...


cause capships are already immune to ewar iirc

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Konnore
Sons of Zeus.
The Initiative.
#14 - 2013-11-25 13:00:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Konnore
Seranova Farreach wrote:
cause capships are already immune to ewar iirc



You need read my post again .. I spoke about the Nullification and NOT about ewar! and Capitals are NOT immune to Ewar... Supers are!
And both are not Nullified!

but you answer only in the 3rd part of my post.. do you agree with the 1st and 2nd part?
(actualy you didin't even answer to the 3rd part - I can remind it to you.. I said, if a ceptor can be nulli why a Super can't?)
Zan Shiro
Doomheim
#15 - 2013-11-25 14:47:35 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
Set up a smartbombing camp at the next gate? Interceptors don't really have a lot of HP.


Camp could also split up and hop into the other system the gate links to (or jump en masse). Chances are real good what that inty was scouting is on the other side.

I think of episode 4 of star wars for times like this. The scene where they are wondering why a short ranged tie fighter is chilling in the middle of nowhere. Then a few moments later we get the the classic "thats no moon" line. Most times inty ='s scout. There are much better frigate choices for solo running. Offline cloak in an af for example. Or the CO/SB to run a covert ops cloak. Probe in the co or maybe pick off a target in the sb.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#16 - 2013-11-25 16:05:29 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
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Most times inty ='s scout.

I think this is the perception that the DEVs wanted to do away with in regards to interceptors. Before, they seen as lightly tanked and poor damage dealing Assault Frigs that move faster... now they are some of the fastest ships in the game that can run and pin down people with ease.

I am personally VERY happy with the change as it forces heavy footed null-sec blobs to use skirmishing tactics rather than just "bubble up, nuke it."

How did you Veterans start?
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#17 - 2013-11-25 16:09:57 UTC
Hooray for interceptors that can actually intercept - and bring down BPOs from ORE space when they're not intercepting.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#18 - 2013-11-25 16:18:54 UTC
Konnore wrote:
1. so far Nullification was a privilege of Sleeper's Technology

2. ceptors costs so little to have that privillege

3. if a ceptor is able to have that technology, why a Nyx or an Avatar cannot have it???



Now you're just trolling.

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Ix Method
Doomheim
#19 - 2013-11-25 16:24:00 UTC
Konnore wrote:
After all "nullifying" was a privillege of Tech3 ships and I believe that we must keep it like this!

So... nerf T3s instead? Big smile

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kerradeph
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2013-11-25 20:30:51 UTC
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
Hooray for interceptors that can actually intercept - and bring down BPOs from ORE space when they're not intercepting.

yeah, that's what I used inties for the most was a particularly hard to catch shuttle.
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