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Hunting WH's in a stealth bomber (solo)
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Jonas Staal
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2013-11-25 14:46:49 UTC
Hi all,

Over the weekend I have been browsing the internet and forum looking for information on how to succesfully use a stealth bomber in WH space.
I found some nice blogs to read, and movies to watch. However, a movie blowing up a miner or a hauler doesn't mean much to me at this point. I am much more interested in the "how did you get next to the miner/hauler in the first place".

So basicly I'm looking for information on how to flly the stealth bomber in wormhole space. How to find people to hunt, and when found, how to hunt them.

I know it's alot of information I'm asking for, and it probably is information not everyone is willing to share.. However, it would help me out greatly!

cheers
Vincent Gaines
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2 - 2013-11-25 14:53:24 UTC
If you need to be taught through youtube videos, you're doing it wrong.

learn2probe

Not a diplo. 

The above post was edited for spelling.
Caius Beriat
O'Coin Enterprises
#3 - 2013-11-25 15:01:05 UTC
A lone SB is not likely to have much effect. Fit out a cloaky T3 instead.
Jonas Staal
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2013-11-25 15:09:53 UTC
Caius Beriat wrote:
A lone SB is not likely to have much effect. Fit out a cloaky T3 instead.


When reading this I assume you mean cloaky proteus?

however I believe tactics will be kind a similar..
Caius Beriat
O'Coin Enterprises
#5 - 2013-11-25 15:19:30 UTC
A proteus would work well, you can have the best of everything, good dps, good tank, good scram/point range.
Vincent Gaines
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-11-25 15:26:07 UTC
Jonas Staal wrote:

however I believe tactics will be kind a similar..


Holy crap.

How would tactics of a brawling proteus be similar to that of a paper thin torpedo thrower?

Not a diplo. 

The above post was edited for spelling.
Jonas Staal
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2013-11-25 15:37:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonas Staal
Vincent Gaines wrote:
Jonas Staal wrote:

however I believe tactics will be kind a similar..


Holy crap.

How would tactics of a brawling proteus be similar to that of a paper thin torpedo thrower?



If you read my post, you would know it's not about "the fight", rather than "working towards the fight".

EDIT: stopid of me ofcourse, asking for help in the EvE forum.
Aquila Sagitta
Blue-Fire
#8 - 2013-11-25 15:46:04 UTC
Probe wh's from hs close to trade hubs. Best thing is to have a prober alt and use your main to kill what your prober finds. Its also good practice to go another wh deep depending on activity you find. The more you do it the faster you get and know what to look for. The best advice? Just go out and do it.

Blue-Fire Best Fire
Vincent Gaines
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-11-25 15:49:28 UTC
Jonas Staal wrote:

If you read my post, you would know it's not about "the fight", rather than "working towards the fight".

EDIT: stopid of me ofcourse, asking for help in the EvE forum.


Here's your help:

Step une: Find hole
Step deux: Enter hole and probe for life signs.
Step tree: gank
Step fawr: recloak


Not a diplo. 

The above post was edited for spelling.
Sith1s Spectre
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2013-11-25 19:25:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Sith1s Spectre
Sure, you can use a bomber - but your targets are really restricted - ie pi haulers, mining barges and noctis'

A recon or a cloaky t3 (pref the latter) gives you the ability to actually have a reasonable chance on being able to engage things you find.

In regards to actually answering a few questions for you let's see...

1. Have a probe launcher on your ship - and use it
2. Learn how to use dscan (and have forcefields ect on your overview to quickly determine if things are at towers)
3. Get use to being a patient hunter, this style of flying is more like deer hunting ect... ie wait 2 hours, not spook the game ect


Cheers,

Sith

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Xen Solarus
Furious Destruction and Salvage
#11 - 2013-11-25 19:43:15 UTC
Best bet is to just get out there and try. Expect to die, embrace it, and you'll do fine. Cool

This blog has some interesting bits and pieces around, if you're willing to take the time to read through and find them. Also this post is comprehensive in some tactics, if not slightly dated.

Post with your main, like a BOSS!

And no, i don't live in highsec.  As if that would make your opinion any less wrong.  
Marsan
#12 - 2013-11-25 20:41:03 UTC
Wormholes are great for stealth bombers if you want to miners and indys. With the current changes it's quite possible to warp to a ladar before the miner reacts even if he is paying attention. Also don't pass up the Null Sec holes. There are a fair number of miners in deep NS.

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Pancake King
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#13 - 2013-11-25 21:06:26 UTC
You find targets one of two ways:

1) D-Scan if they are at an Anom/POCO. This is where you'll get your haulers and miners. You might get someone running sites too. You'll be unlikely to be able to take them in a SB, but if your patient they'll probably be back with a Noctius.

2) Combat probes. Most of the time though if you drop combat probes people will GTFO pretty quick.

T3 is the better option as it allows you to take a lot more fights but SB is a good way to learn the trade.
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#14 - 2013-11-25 22:01:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Rroff
I know a couple of people who start in highsec scan down a chain of wormholes then either find a likely target, watchlist the inhabitants on an alt and log off in there or API ping the systems for PVE activity and see if they still have a link to that system in the chain (having previously bookmarked and scanned down the sites, etc.) its a bit too much like a day job for my tastes but they seem to enjoy it with quite a bit of sucess.

While not everyone will be able to use a single SB to the same level there are people who have solo'd just about every non-capital class ship in eve with them i.e. jhella another char whose name begins with a P that I can't recall off the top of my head to has a pretty mad record.
Vhalasedai
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2013-11-25 22:40:18 UTC
I started my w-space adventures in a solo stealth bomber and documented some of my experiences. Maybe you'll find some useful information here.

http://expected-value.blogspot.de/2013/09/a-field-experiment-in-solo-wormhole.html

All the best,

V

Solo and small gang PvP in nullsec, lowsec and w-space: http://expected-value.blogspot.de/
illy velo
Emergency and I
#16 - 2013-11-25 22:46:32 UTC
Lot of good info here. I will re-hash and add my 12 cents.

Having a scout alt, preferably one with leadership skills for small passive boosts is preferable. This allows you to assess the situation so you can choose the best PVP ship to engage with. For instance, you can bring in a full DPS proteus directly into a pair of drakes running sites by warping to your scout alt.

Assuming you don't have a scout alt, I tend to leave the solo stuff to one of two situations. Situation 1 is sitting within 100km of a ship in a POS with a stealth bomber. "Look at" your target and follow them to the grav site or customs office. Gank and re-cloak. Situation two, bring a high DPS quick lock battleship to a hisec hole, a D845 off dscan of target POS works best. Jump in, drop a mobile warp bubble 10 k from the hole and head back. Wait for blind warp-ins. I use a quick lock, dual web vindicator and if I get in trouble with what shows up, I jump out.

With the bomber, I use two warp scramblers and all torps, no bombs. Most haulers won't be stabbed well enough to get away and you are out of point range with bombs, so skip them.

Personally I don't like to solo hunt in T3's in wormholes unless I have a complete grasp of the situation. That ship you jump just might have a ton of backup. In fact, it usually does.
Ahost Gceo
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2013-11-26 00:29:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Ahost Gceo
Most people who hunt with T3s do so because that's what everyone else flies, or the T3 they are using is able to tank both the target and sleepers that may engage you.

Sitting on a wh with a Vindi with your back to highsec is going to net you so few kills it would not be worth spending the money on it. I personally would make it my mission to get a small cloaky T3 gang to bump you off the hole and then warp in support to finish you off if I ever saw you doing that.

Stealth bomber again is so limited in targets that they aren't worth it, particularly for solo work. Obstergo does happen to have a one Laserzpewpew who uses a probing bomber to tackle targets then shreds them with an Ishtar, if that sounds like your cup of tea, talk to him, otherwise don't use a SB.

And if you are doing anything in wormholes you better have a 100% grasp on your situation at all times or you are doing it wrong.

Null and low is ok for derping around because you have static gates and local list but you will find no such cushion if someone decides to make you their target in a wormhole and you don't know it because you don't have the lay of the land.

CCP ignore me please, I make too much sense.
Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2013-11-26 02:04:27 UTC
Stealth bombers are fine for solo work in wormholes. As others have mentioned your targets will mostly be limited to industrials. SB tank is paperthin so if it shoots back its probably not a good target. Since you won't be using bombs anyway you can fit a probe launcher and do all your own scanning; no friend or alt required. As for tactics, this is what I would suggest :

1. Scan in kspace for wh; K126s are easy to find and indicate recent activity.
2. Enter wh and immediately bookmark the exit; always bm both sides of any wh you enter.
3. Move away from hole the cloak up.
4. Dscan around system looking for targets; you probably won't find any.
5. Launch probes and scan for other whs; don't forget to recloak.
6. Keep dscaning while probing.
7. Look for and bm any active towers you find while continuing to probe.
8. Dscan some more.
9. Lookup the hole on wormhol.es and see when the residents are active; it won't be while you are on.
10. Bm all the other whs you found while probing.
11. Jump into a wh you found; dumscovery scanner will have warned everyone inside that you are there.
12. Surprisingly some will ignore the new signature from the dumbscovery scanner, these are called victims.
13. Goto 3. Only proceed to 14 if you've found a target not in a POS and you have dscanned some more.

14. So you've found an indy eh? Dscan.
15. If cautious in nature, look up the victims killboard. If it shows kills from his indy ship (esp procurer or badger) along with one or more T3s, you're going to have a bad time.
16. Have you dscanned lately? I'll wait.
17. If you are ready to attack, start orbiting your target. Fly casual, but don't act like you're trying to fly casual.
18. Take a deep breath and decloak. You are probably going to die now, so if its not too late to reconsider, don't decloak.
19. If you didn't follow my advice then target the victim. While you wait for lock, hit your afterburner. If you fit a mwd on your bomber then you should plan on buying bombers by the dozen.
20. Point and torps. Kill kill kill. Oh and dscan...that interceptor you suddenly see is the harbinger of your doom.

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Erica Dusette
Division 13
#19 - 2013-11-26 02:14:01 UTC
Go and talk to this guy about solo WH hunting in an SB.

Shocked

See him somewhat regularly in our systems. Pretty much all he does.

But seriously, plenty of fun to be had in WHs with a solo SB. Dscan and probes. You'll do fine if you're selective with targets.

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Tul Breetai
Impromptu Asset Requisition
#20 - 2013-11-26 04:10:06 UTC
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Hunt targets that will die quickly or won't likely be stabbed / have drones. Do not engage frigates, especially ventures, destroyers, or procurors. You can hunt site-runners if you hit them when dps is highest, might just catch them.

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