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Cheaper SOE ships available in one system in pure blind

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El Geo
Warcrows
Sedition.
#21 - 2013-11-24 11:44:32 UTC
You make an interesting and obvious point Baltec, one that I have to agree with. Thanks for your help Smile
Diamond Zerg
Taking Solo Away.
#22 - 2013-11-24 11:54:29 UTC
Lol, you n00bs, in many cases taking more risk does grant greater rewards.

There are actually many level 4 pirate missions in nullsec that have excellent payouts.
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beancounter Jaynara
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#23 - 2013-11-24 12:11:42 UTC
Let me tell you guys all a dirty secret...

CFC space is full of beacons. These beacons identify where you can jump to and carry out trade on neutral alts without getting blown up. There's a reason why they have Jita-like prices in a number of systems in their space. It's because in those systems, they welcome traders with open arms. Hell, I never even scout my jump freighters there anymore. I've never had any problems. Goons love getting their markets seeded. Big smile

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El Geo
Warcrows
Sedition.
#24 - 2013-11-24 12:14:06 UTC
Diamond Zerg wrote:
Lol, you n00bs, in many cases taking more risk does grant greater rewards.

There are actually many level 4 pirate missions in nullsec that have excellent payouts.


No sh*t Sherlock. Yes, I'm fully aware of this fact as are most people that play Eve, although greater rewards come in the form of higher payouts not cheaper ships and pirate factions also have arcs that start in lowsec iirc, as well as many more than one station.

On a side note, Why aren't the Gnosis and other SOCT ships available for LP in SOCT LP stores? or ORE ships in ORE space?
El Geo
Warcrows
Sedition.
#25 - 2013-11-24 12:17:09 UTC  |  Edited by: El Geo
beancounter Jaynara wrote:
Let me tell you guys all a dirty secret...

CFC space is full of beacons. These beacons identify where you can jump to and carry out trade on neutral alts without getting blown up. There's a reason why they have Jita-like prices in a number of systems in their space. It's because in those systems, they welcome traders with open arms. Hell, I never even scout my jump freighters there anymore. I've never had any problems. Goons love getting their markets seeded. Big smile


Pretty sure thats not the case lol
Goons are pretty cool guys to be fair (read as GSF, the CFC is full of rude arrogant dullbears), I've roamed Goon space and met more than a few friendly people, even if they are trying to blow me up. The same I can not say about a lot of other alliances that launch a tirade of abuse in local while sitting in their station docked.
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2013-11-24 13:18:41 UTC
Icarus Able wrote:
33% isnt a huge difference when you consider the risk of running in null and the cost of shipping them down to HS. BUt yeh maybe 1 more station would help the situation a bit.


The cost of shipping to high sec is all of 15 minutes in a bomber, less in a ceptor.....maybe 25 if you are really paranoid and use a nullified T3.

...and eitherway if they made another Sanctuary station, it would still be in an NPC null pocket somehere, and they are all pretty well populated.
Mara Tessidar
Perkone
Caldari State
#27 - 2013-11-24 17:48:26 UTC
Someone explain to me why pirate faction ships are available in highsec in the first place.

The explanation may not include the words "because CCP was appealing to highsec mission runners," because that part is already obvious.
Trillian Stargazer
Perkone
Caldari State
#28 - 2013-11-24 19:05:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Trillian Stargazer
El Geo wrote:

No sh*t Sherlock. Yes, I'm fully aware of this fact as are most people that play Eve, although greater rewards come in the form of higher payouts not cheaper ships


Do you realize that to get these ships from the station requires LP. To get LP you have to grind missions. Then you swap that LP for BPCs or the ship itself. That means the person that is grinding the missions in Nullsec is taking a big risk and is receiving a higher payout on his/her LP.

Now that person that was taking all the risk gets a higher reward when he/she ships bpcs or ships to Jita.
Dorian Wylde
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#29 - 2013-11-24 19:10:21 UTC
El Geo wrote:

- Easily cordoned off and controlled by powerbloc (this case the closest locally just so happen to be the CFC)

Maybe someone could shed some light on to why this is a good idea?



If only there were some way of taking over space controlled by other players.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#30 - 2013-11-24 19:18:11 UTC
El Geo wrote:
I havent seen a thread on this yet but its something thats been annoying me, I have tried but just can't see the reasoning behind this decision, I mean...

Pros:
- Can get the new sisters ships cheaper

Cons:
- Only one system in Eve has Sanctuary agents (Literally 1 station in the whole galaxy)
- Easily cordoned off and controlled by powerbloc (this case the closest locally just so happen to be the CFC)

Maybe someone could shed some light on to why this is a good idea?


So it's not enough that for the 1st time CCP allows people in high sec to directly get a pirate faction ship from an LP store (and it is a pirate faction ship, bonuses come from 2 factions instead of one like the navy Faction ships)?

Just goes to show, whatever CCP gives players, those players will always want more.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#31 - 2013-11-24 19:20:03 UTC
Dorian Wylde wrote:
El Geo wrote:

- Easily cordoned off and controlled by powerbloc (this case the closest locally just so happen to be the CFC)

Maybe someone could shed some light on to why this is a good idea?



If only there were some way of taking over space controlled by other players.
+1

Or some way to ignore the people who own the space, if only EVE had some kind of nullfied cruiser that could carry a mobile depot and refit to do missions......

I'm sorry for sarcasming up your sarcasm btw :) .
Dorian Wylde
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#32 - 2013-11-24 19:42:09 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Dorian Wylde wrote:
El Geo wrote:

- Easily cordoned off and controlled by powerbloc (this case the closest locally just so happen to be the CFC)

Maybe someone could shed some light on to why this is a good idea?



If only there were some way of taking over space controlled by other players.
+1

Or some way to ignore the people who own the space, if only EVE had some kind of nullfied cruiser that could carry a mobile depot and refit to do missions......

I'm sorry for sarcasming up your sarcasm btw :) .



No need to apologize, wish I'd thought of it ;) Few things more satisfying than enjoying space claimed by your enemies.
El Geo
Warcrows
Sedition.
#33 - 2013-11-24 19:44:00 UTC
Mara Tessidar wrote:
Someone explain to me why pirate faction ships are available in highsec in the first place.

The explanation may not include the words "because CCP was appealing to highsec mission runners," because that part is already obvious.


Becuase they are faction ships not pirate ships, navy ships are faction ships also and you can get those in highsec jeez, this isnt rocket science, just becuase CCP choose to dress it up as a pirate ship doesnt mean you shouldnt see the wood for the trees
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#34 - 2013-11-24 20:02:29 UTC
El Geo wrote:
Becuase they are faction ships not pirate ships
…and which single faction ship skill do you use to fly them?

Also, presumably, you want to see them massively nerfed so they sit on the same meta level as faction ships?
El Geo
Warcrows
Sedition.
#35 - 2013-11-24 20:08:03 UTC
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#36 - 2013-11-24 20:12:33 UTC
El Geo wrote:
So blind, so dumb

So you've had your eyes opened, then, and now understand why it's classified as a pirate ship?
M1k3y Koontz
House of Musashi
Stay Feral
#37 - 2013-11-24 20:54:38 UTC  |  Edited by: M1k3y Koontz
You think nullsec blocs can control NPC nullsec. Lul.
Risk = reward. In nullsec the risk is greater the reward is greater.


If you take issue with the CFC controlling that area of space, get yourself a cloaky ship and go kill CFC ratting Tengus, enjoy the tears, those guys are 90% care bears.

How much herp could a herp derp derp if a herp derp could herp derp.

El Geo
Warcrows
Sedition.
#38 - 2013-11-24 22:02:28 UTC
You choose to see it as a pirate ship because CCP tells you it is, their reasons are it uses 2 non-pirate faction racial bonus's.

I see it as not a pirate ship because SOE aren't a pirate faction, and if I viewed it as having 2 separate 'racial' bonus's I still wouldn't see it as a faction ship because they are empire faction bonus's, not pirate faction bonus's so please, spare me your opinion as it won't effect mine.

The issue isn't that I am not capable of going to nullsec and either killing ratters or running missions, nor is it that the closest nullsec bloc is the CFC, the issue I was asking about was the decision to make them available in only 1 station in the whole of new Eden which puts it in the position where its easy to control should someone desire to, which btw doesn't seem to be happening, the locals are the same guys who have lived there for the past year with a few randoms, no mass gate camps.

Now, Baltec gave an answer that I can go with and I will leave it at that.

You may lock the thread.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#39 - 2013-11-24 22:11:28 UTC
El Geo wrote:
I see it as not a pirate ship because SOE aren't a pirate faction
Doesn't matter. That's just (questionable) lore and is of no relevance to game mechanics. It's a pirate ship: it has no faction skills of its own and uses those of two actual races. It is balanced as a pirate ship.

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and if I viewed it as having 2 separate 'racial' bonus's I still wouldn't see it as a faction ship because they are empire faction bonus's, not pirate faction bonus's
…just like every other pirate faction ship, you mean?

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the issue I was asking about was the decision to make them available in only 1 station in the whole of new Eden

They're available form more stations than that.
El Geo
Warcrows
Sedition.
#40 - 2013-11-24 22:26:48 UTC
keep talking Tippia, you'll be the only one reading