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Cheaper SOE ships available in one system in pure blind
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El Geo
Warcrows
THE OLD SCHOOL
#1 - 2013-11-24 10:21:48 UTC
I havent seen a thread on this yet but its something thats been annoying me, I have tried but just can't see the reasoning behind this decision, I mean...

Pros:
- Can get the new sisters ships cheaper

Cons:
- Only one system in Eve has Sanctuary agents (Literally 1 station in the whole galaxy)
- Easily cordoned off and controlled by powerbloc (this case the closest locally just so happen to be the CFC)

Maybe someone could shed some light on to why this is a good idea?

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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#2 - 2013-11-24 10:26:10 UTC
Greater risk = greater reward.
Samroski
Middle-Earth
#3 - 2013-11-24 10:29:28 UTC
1. The Sanctuary guys made the ships, thus they sell them cheaper.
2. Yes, people doing missions with them can get the ships cheaper, but they have to mission in null sec, and there are not many agents around, and they have to somehow ship the ships to Empire to make profits, which is reasonably risky, and makes for interesting gameplay.
3. Cost is 33% less in null, which is not too unfair, as profits margins are such that it still makes sense to use Sister's LP.

It would be interesting to see some figures showing how many of the ships actually get bought in null.

Any colour you like.
El Geo
Warcrows
THE OLD SCHOOL
#4 - 2013-11-24 10:30:11 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Greater risk = greater reward.


This is sarcasm right? Roll

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Inquisitor Ageri
Doomheim
#5 - 2013-11-24 10:32:20 UTC
Because Illuminati & Goons. That's all we can tell you atm, but We The People are furiously blogging about it in every effort to make this universe a free Democracy once more. Don't trust The Banks.
El Geo
Warcrows
THE OLD SCHOOL
#6 - 2013-11-24 10:32:59 UTC  |  Edited by: El Geo
Samroski wrote:
1. The Sanctuary guys made the ships, thus they sell them cheaper.
2. Yes, people doing missions with them can get the ships cheaper, but they have to mission in null sec, and there are not many agents around, and they have to somehow ship the ships to Empire to make profits, which is reasonably risky, and makes for interesting gameplay.
3. Cost is 33% less in null, which is not too unfair, as profits margins are such that it still makes sense to use Sister's LP.

It would be interesting to see some figures showing how many of the ships actually get bought in null.


Not many? There's 1 station with sanctuary agents, thats 1 station in the entire eve galaxy, don't you think thats open exploitation?

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#7 - 2013-11-24 10:34:56 UTC
El Geo wrote:
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Greater risk = greater reward.


This is sarcasm right? Roll


Nope.

Come get your cheap ships.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#8 - 2013-11-24 10:35:16 UTC
Since the SOE ships are the only pirate faction (as bad as that title is for SOE) ships available from LP stores in highsec, CCP could always just follow the normal process and remove their availability.

Would that solve the problem for you?

In other words, you are getting access to the SOE ships in highsec outside normal arrangements for these types of factional ships, so stop complaining that they cost more. That's still better than the alternative.
Serptimis
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2013-11-24 10:36:51 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
El Geo wrote:
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Greater risk = greater reward.


This is sarcasm right? Roll


Nope.

Come get your cheap ships.

You just need to push out the CFC. I know what you are thinking, it might be a little difficult, but think about all that LP!
El Geo
Warcrows
THE OLD SCHOOL
#10 - 2013-11-24 10:52:31 UTC  |  Edited by: El Geo
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Since the SOE ships are the only pirate faction (as bad as that title is for SOE) ships available from LP stores in highsec, CCP could always just follow the normal process and remove their availability.

Would that solve the problem for you?

In other words, you are getting access to the SOE ships in highsec outside normal arrangements for these types of factional ships, so stop complaining that they cost more. That's still better than the alternative.


SOE ships are FACTION ships, SOE aren't a pirate organization so you can rub sh*t in your eyes and dress them up as pirate ships all you want, that doesnt make it true, and there are plenty of ways to get faction ships in highsec, although this has absolutly nothing to do with the question at hand.

Serptimis wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
El Geo wrote:
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Greater risk = greater reward.


This is sarcasm right? Roll


Nope.

Come get your cheap ships.

You just need to push out the CFC. I know what you are thinking, it might be a little difficult, but think about all that LP!


I'm not known for my mission grinding or for that matter my mass of PvE activity, I've lived & roamed out of X-70 before and can do very easily as I please. My question is, considering that CCP upped 2 other SOE agents to level 4, why on earth would they then make it possible for only one station in the entirety of Eve to provide cheaper ships?

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#11 - 2013-11-24 10:58:10 UTC
El Geo wrote:


I'm not known for my mission grinding or for that matter my mass of PvE activity, I've lived & roamed out of X-70 before and can do very easily as I please. My question is, considering that CCP upped 2 other SOE agents to level 4, why on earth would they then make it possible for only one station in the entirety of Eve to provide cheaper ships?



They only did that to take the stress off the one node.

They have also given a very important reason for people to hold onto that one system.
El Geo
Warcrows
THE OLD SCHOOL
#12 - 2013-11-24 11:02:16 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
El Geo wrote:


I'm not known for my mission grinding or for that matter my mass of PvE activity, I've lived & roamed out of X-70 before and can do very easily as I please. My question is, considering that CCP upped 2 other SOE agents to level 4, why on earth would they then make it possible for only one station in the entirety of Eve to provide cheaper ships?



They only did that to take the stress off the one node.

They have also given a very important reason for people to hold onto that one system.


Which is? (I've asked a bunch of folks who have no idea and i've tried to look through the forums/devblogs before starting this thread so a bit of help and guidance would be helpful :) )

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Icarus Able
Refuse.Resist
#13 - 2013-11-24 11:02:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Icarus Able
33% isnt a huge difference when you consider the risk of running in null and the cost of shipping them down to HS. BUt yeh maybe 1 more station would help the situation a bit.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#14 - 2013-11-24 11:04:49 UTC
El Geo wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
El Geo wrote:


I'm not known for my mission grinding or for that matter my mass of PvE activity, I've lived & roamed out of X-70 before and can do very easily as I please. My question is, considering that CCP upped 2 other SOE agents to level 4, why on earth would they then make it possible for only one station in the entirety of Eve to provide cheaper ships?



They only did that to take the stress off the one node.

They have also given a very important reason for people to hold onto that one system.


Which is? (I've asked a bunch of folks who have no idea and i've tried to look through the forums/devblogs before starting this thread so a bit of help and guidance would be helpful :) )


Access to the cheap SOE ships. They can dictate who can and cant have access.
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2013-11-24 11:05:21 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
El Geo wrote:
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Greater risk = greater reward.


This is sarcasm right? Roll


Nope.

Come get your cheap ships.


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Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#16 - 2013-11-24 11:09:05 UTC
El Geo wrote:
SOE ships are FACTION ships, SOE aren't a pirate organization so you can rub sh*t in your eyes and dress them up as pirate ships all you want, that doesnt make it true, and there are plenty of ways to get faction ships in highsec, although this has absolutly nothing to do with the question at hand.


As lovely as your carebear tears are, here's some reading for you:

http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/sisters-of-eve-faction-ships/

Second last paragraph might help.
El Geo
Warcrows
THE OLD SCHOOL
#17 - 2013-11-24 11:10:15 UTC  |  Edited by: El Geo
Icarus Able wrote:
33% isnt a huge difference when you consider the risk of running in null and the cost of shipping them down to HS. BUt yeh maybe 1 more station would help the situation a bit.


At current ship prices that 33% is a saving of around 130m? Now personally I expect prices to drop to below 300m in the next week or two but this still doesnt answer my question.

Lets take this away from a linear concept a minute and understand that the likely hood of me ever grinding missions for SOE ships is so slim its unreal, I trade for my isk so if I want a ship I tend to buy a few cheap and sell the excess giving myself that ship for very little effort.

Now, are you (Baltec) saying that its a possible way to make that system strategic in some way?

I'm going to ignore anyone who calls me a carebear as they clearly have about as much brains as a wooden goldfish and even less wit.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#18 - 2013-11-24 11:16:58 UTC
El Geo wrote:


Now, are you (Baltec) saying that its a possible way to make that system strategic in some way?



Hold the system and deny access to everyone else and you hold an advantage over everyone else.
El Geo
Warcrows
THE OLD SCHOOL
#19 - 2013-11-24 11:27:30 UTC
baltec1 wrote:


Hold the system and deny access to everyone else and you hold an advantage over everyone else.


You don't think there is any other reasoning other than that?

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#20 - 2013-11-24 11:32:33 UTC
El Geo wrote:
baltec1 wrote:


Hold the system and deny access to everyone else and you hold an advantage over everyone else.


You don't think there is any other reasoning other than that?


We have been fighting wars for this very reason for the last 6 thousand years.
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