EVE General Discussion

I has learned something. Thanks for the post.

The have no idea how to address all those issue`s. Make promises and what do we get? unfinished game mechanic that's not word in eve. Now we get promises how better the game is. The are doing some nice things but the never NEVER finish anything the have started. We got 3 games in 1 game and 1 game is already dying aka dust. Now what are the going to do about it. The need to give dust to eve. Remove it from PS3 and let the game again be 1 game not 4 different games.

I know the plans was not to be like this. But hardcore players just don`t want a avatar game. This force CCP in there corners. If the want to release any of it the need to finish it before launching it.

Do the doing it again. Yah always the will be a "incarnia" expansion there latest is again a repeat of it FINISH WHAT YOU STARED not Half game expansion.

I feel bad for them trying to hard on some matter and doing to less on others. Just hope the can finish everything in the new expand lets hope the put real money in it to fixs and finish everything. Not some half broken mechanic that's suppose to be fun.

Lets see how this is going.

Now now, they did a great job on their last vision































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People keep calling the mechanics in EVE unfinished or broken. They're not. Just because they're not the way you want them to be, doesn't mean they're not finished or that they're broken. Ship rebalancing is not finished, but the mechanics themselves are fine. You want to see what unfinished and broken game mechanics look like?

Go check out X-Rebirth.

Yes. Last I checked, everything works great. It could be better, it could have other features, but it WORKS. Which means it's not BROKEN. It's not UNFINISHED. Calling EVE mechanics unfinished for not having specific functions that you want is like calling a car unfinished just because it doesn't have power windows. For one, EVE is never finished, because there's ALWAYS room for growth, so being unfinished is not a bad thing just by being unfinished in EVE's case. Second... nothing is broken. There aren't things in the game that are causing crashes and the like, there are just lots of whiny people who don't like how certain things function so they call them 'broken'.

There are plenty of things that I don't like either, like NPC corps. But they're not broken, they are working fine, and as intended.

Remiel is always cheerleading for ccp, keep it up boy, one day you might get that staff job you've been dreaming of.

The developer who designed Dominion sov has said quite clearly and candidly that the Dominion release was part one, and has made hints to things that were supposed to be part of part 2 (treaties anyone?). Part 2 never came; in fact, exactly zero iteration has occured on sov since "Part 1" was released. That is the definition of unfinished.

And in case you think this is a one-off, feel free to hunt out the original concepts for planetary interaction, I can assure you a cut-down version of Sim City was not the original selling spiel. Unfinished. Or ask someone what Incarna was supposed to be; again, single avatars trapped in a room was not the original claims. Unfinished (not that I care about this one, they had their chance and blew it, but plenty of other people still care). Faction Warfare at least got its Part 2, but years late, and still not perfectly as advertised, but we can be generous and call this a change of vision rather than being unfinished.

Anyone who thinks we are going to get what we are being told about in this "vision" is blatantly ignoring the very clear track record.

FW got iterations (a decent one) simply because a boost was needed to promote the integration related with DUST launch; and was something doable with low effort for them, mostly datasheets adjustments.

Dominion was a bad expansion, and for what I understand the post-crucible policy is to never again dedicate a whole expansion to a specific area or gamestyle but to go for trasversal devleoping lines to benefit different gamestyles. That's understandable since the more importan EVE expansions are so.

That would be good if they did...

NS, HS, LS, WH as separated entities in competition one each other is more our mindset as players, I don't think game designers shape their development in that way.

Anyway fighting among us is silly: nobody is going to see anything relevant (WiS, Sov iteration, decent PVE, new POS system, Industry overhaul... whatever) till the company focus and resources will be out of EVE.





Yes, I agree.

In general the vision seems to be no more then give pilots more power and reduce the might of the empires to eventually lead to a situation where pilots could potentially build stargates....

That's pretty much what has been happening for the past 10 years now. In beta the empires where king and most pilots worked for them in some way or another. Once the masses joined players formed corporations to mine, claim space (well before towers and the like) and fight each other. Then came the starbases and the towers, moon goo and later Titans, carriers and dreads then we got PI and all the while players became less and less reliant on the Empires.
Guess what that trend will continue, with refitting T3's in wormholes with jump bridges and all these other solutions to let players shape the sand in the box.

I think that CCP is basically saying in their view it would be good to give players even more freedom to make their own game. I don't see why this would not happen, the vision is just that a vision and idea of what could be. I am quite sure that CCP has no team setup to build the code to allow us to construct stargates just yet. I think that the vision is mostly a guideline to move in a direction with new features and improved functions. Not unlike the UI team showing of a new UI and indicating that this is where they would like to go. The amount of fuss the last major change to the UI caused I am sure that CCP will be careful this time around...

I think that openness is a good thing and I think that the CSM is a good step in the right direction. CCP is not not telling the CSM about thier plans they basically have provided them with the same information as the rest of us. The general idea for the next expansion I am sure they will spend a lot of time discussing with the CSM and others what makes sense what can be done and which little things to include this time.
Because CCP is working in sprints they do not have a very clear delivery deadline for their new stuff, it will be released when it is ready. This is why so many changes have been made in the background over the past years to allow frequent releases that hardly impact players and that can with every point release deliver stuff from fixes to new content, which is really a big improvement to the way it was before.

All in all over the past 10 years we have seen a company that has a great game a unique offering which you either love or ignore there is not much else. They have worked hard to keep the player base happy with their game and they have failed at some point. The people in charge have changed overtime and with that we have seen different ways of approaching the community and the way of communicating. Some of them worked very well, others not so well... CCP Seagull has an interesting vision in my opinion. The way it is communicated is to state the long term plan 5 years in advance, and to make sure everyone knows this is not set in stone but more an idea along the lines of wouldn't it be cool if we could do that in the future. That is much more than CCP ever communicated before.

I just like you hope the Incarna disaster will not happen again, but to be honest I do not see that happening at the moment I actually see a lot more information than I am used to from CCP when it comes to the long term future of their game.

Alleluja plan is only chit-chatting. Actually CCP is not even able to plan on a 6 months timeline. Doesn't exist; saying "we have a generic and vague idea about space colonization for the next 5 YEARS" it's like to say "we have no clue what to do".

I don't know where you see the will to give advantage to large alliances gameplay and deprive the rest (70-80%) of EVE.
If we have to judge by the few already developed looks like going just in the opposite direction. Nothing in the Rubicon cater to large players entities; and this trend oriented more to solo/small groups seems a cosntant orientation in the last years; and is good.

Then we can like or dislike the secific features, or say they're usless, wrong, not enough. But this is a different argument.