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Reminder: Assault Frigates still need to be reworked
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Michael Harari
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#21 - 2013-11-22 22:47:03 UTC
Randy Wray wrote:
jaguar and ishkur are the ones I feel need some help, the rest is a nice bunch.


Jaguar has good stats and a good slot layout, but suffers from awful damage projection and low base dps.

A 4th gun would be too much I think. Maybe swap the damage bonuses to rof bonuses, up its speed a little bit and maybe even increase the tracking bonus to 10%.
Randy Wray
Warcrows
THE OLD SCHOOL
#22 - 2013-11-22 23:05:11 UTC
Michael Harari wrote:
Randy Wray wrote:
jaguar and ishkur are the ones I feel need some help, the rest is a nice bunch.


Jaguar has good stats and a good slot layout, but suffers from awful damage projection and low base dps.

A 4th gun would be too much I think. Maybe swap the damage bonuses to rof bonuses, up its speed a little bit and maybe even increase the tracking bonus to 10%.

It's basically got the same problems as the rifter.

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Onslaughtor
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#23 - 2013-11-23 01:02:20 UTC
Not sure about the rest, but for the amarr ones the fixese seem rather strait forward to me. Vengeance needs its rocket bonus to affect lights. The Retribution needs to drop its extra high for a mid. In my opinion this would balance them nicely.
Black Canary Jnr
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#24 - 2013-11-23 04:07:08 UTC
Thought AFs were considered to be balanced by Fozzie?

But yeah retri really needs better cap and the utility high on it is wasted. An extra mid slot and a tad bit more pg/ cpu to fit a cap booster would make it awesome though :)


I wish fozzie would take a look at the omen again, it's so gimped with its fitting options.
HiddenPorpoise
Jarlhettur's Drop
United Federation of Conifers
#25 - 2013-11-23 08:14:21 UTC  |  Edited by: HiddenPorpoise
Yummy Chocolate wrote:
Ishkur... an active tanking bonus does not fit with the creodron set of bonuses. sure the Eos has it, but that's because until rubicon it was a variation of the Brutix which has the active tanking bonus. that is why this bonus fits better with the Enyo, which is supposed to be a baby Deimos.
The enyo and the deimos aren't related. RS builds enyos and DL builds deimoses and they don't talk to eachother about it.

And the ishkur is a variant on a rep bonused ship too.
Yummy Chocolate
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2013-11-23 10:14:16 UTC
HiddenPorpoise wrote:
Yummy Chocolate wrote:
Ishkur... an active tanking bonus does not fit with the creodron set of bonuses. sure the Eos has it, but that's because until rubicon it was a variation of the Brutix which has the active tanking bonus. that is why this bonus fits better with the Enyo, which is supposed to be a baby Deimos.
The enyo and the deimos aren't related. RS builds enyos and DL builds deimoses and they don't talk to eachother about it.

And the ishkur is a variant on a rep bonused ship too.

damn you and your correct logic! Evil

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M1k3y Koontz
House of Musashi
Stay Feral
#27 - 2013-11-23 16:49:03 UTC
Isis Dea wrote:
This is dumb, they're already op. Fix battleships first. Talk about a ship class that is completely useless for the isk you sink into it.


They're already OP? You haven't flown a Jaguar recently have you...

How much herp could a herp derp derp if a herp derp could herp derp.
Yummy Chocolate
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2013-11-23 18:51:30 UTC
M1k3y Koontz wrote:
Isis Dea wrote:
This is dumb, they're already op. Fix battleships first. Talk about a ship class that is completely useless for the isk you sink into it.


They're already OP? You haven't flown a Jaguar recently have you...

leave him alone, he's just a lvl 4 mission running carebear. he doesn't FW.

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Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#29 - 2013-11-26 11:55:43 UTC
Yummy Chocolate wrote:
Enyo - 10K EHP ACTIVE TANK? you don't seem to know the definition of "Effective Hit Points".

Or maybe he hybrid tanks his Enyo...

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