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to much powergrid use for small artillary?
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Calak Jivan
The Mucking Fuppets
#1 - 2013-11-22 02:05:42 UTC
not sure if this is the right section/subsection. best i could find when looking.
search did not let me put in a specific string for this string [something like a 20char cutoff point?]

recently got back into eve after a two or so year absence

not going to tell my life story but it would seem that the power grid use for 280mm artillery is to much..
or the thrasher may have to little power grid available. i don't know if this is from the patch to Rubicon or not since i have not flown one since around 2011 until yesterday

but it would seem even with 4 ranks (training to 5 now) in power grid management skill
i can only fit 7 (the max) 280mm howitzers before the power grid is completely filled.

to me it seems kind of drastically limiting to the ship making it a close ranged shooter. it seems like it should be capable of a sniping fit with all 7 guns (due to the 50% bonus to optimal range and whatnot) without the need for excessive skills or rigs.

i don't know what the maximum bonuses to power grid would be when accounting for weapon cost reduction and power grid bonuses from skills/rigs.
but it would seem if you were to go that far with skills/rigs for a ship like this you would likely be flying a faction/t2 version and not something that would seemingly be intended for newbies.

i am in no way an experienced eve pilot
but even with my paltry 1.5m skill points i would think like in the past when i was first playing i could do more then strap 7 arty on it and just hope to survive an onslaught of fighters. without any buffs of any sort to any part of my ship.

i also think its just silly to use more energy to simply rotate a turret run a camera and as well as a pneumatic firing pin and maybe a small computer for more then it would cost to run an afterburner.

there is my gripe for the day any ways. any advice or info on this issue would be appreciated

and just a side note. if you do feel i am wrong in this. please explain the reason why and the facts behind your opinion.
Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#2 - 2013-11-22 02:16:25 UTC
Use 250mm arties instead. Problem fixed.

280mm arties are very powerful frigate weapons with large alpha and good range, despite the fact they need fitting mods to be used effectively some people still use it so the trade off is worth it.
Peto Kabukicho
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-11-22 02:22:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Peto Kabukicho
Hey, man post your fit, it will help people figure out what the issue is, also invest skill points into weapons upgrades so you can get advance weapon upgrades it reduces power gird usage for weapons.

[Thrasher, Thrasher fit]

Micro Auxiliary Power Core I
Gyrostabilizer II

Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I
Faint Warp Disruptor I

250mm Light 'Scout' Artillery I
250mm Light 'Scout' Artillery I
250mm Light 'Scout' Artillery I
250mm Light 'Scout' Artillery I
250mm Light 'Scout' Artillery I
250mm Light 'Scout' Artillery I
250mm Light 'Scout' Artillery I
[Empty High slot]

Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Small Core Defense Field Extender I
Small Core Defense Field Extender I

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Calak Jivan
The Mucking Fuppets
#4 - 2013-11-22 02:44:36 UTC
Peto Kabukicho wrote:
Hey, man post your fit, it will help people figure out what the issue is, also invest skill points into weapons upgrades so you can get advance weapon upgrades it reduces power gird usage for weapons.

*fit shennanigans removed for easy reading*




that is the problem. if i want to use 280mm arty there is no fit. simply put, i can attach 7 280mm cannons of any type [all have 12 powergrid use] and it completely fills my powergrid. as in i have 0.0 left.

dato koppla wrote:

Use 250mm arties instead. Problem fixed.

280mm arties are very powerful frigate weapons with large alpha and good range, despite the fact they need fitting mods to be used effectively some people still use it so the trade off is worth it.


dont get me wrong. i belive there should be a trade off for using 280mm arty. but i dont think it should be every fitting in my ship unless i want to have dozens of different skills ranked to five and then STILL need powergrid rigs.

as it stands if i get all three rig slots with ancillary current router 2's (which cost 37 mil each - more then 38 times what the ship cost me) it would give me a total of around (estimating on this one) around 32% more power grid. at the cost of more then 114 times the cost of my ship.

even then, when a low slot for 400mm tungsten armor costs me more then what i would gain from those three rigs, can you see where this is going?
Maximus Hashur
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-11-22 03:13:28 UTC
Even with advanced weapon upgrades IV and V for all the engineering related skills I need to put ancillary current routers in the rigs. Just the way the ship is designed. I have actually had a better time with a 250mm setup anyway because of tracking

7-250s

Mwd
Long point
Web

Gyro
Tracking enhancer

Small projectile collision accelerator
Small auxiliary thrusters
Small polycarbonate engine

Looked up...saw this F***ING clown dropping like a rock.  Woke up in Vylade wondering what just happened!!!
Drake Doe
88Th Tax Haven
#6 - 2013-11-22 03:43:15 UTC
Most, if not all destroyers have to make sacrifices to fit their largest weapons, why should the thrasher be any different?

"The homogenization of EVE began when Gallente and Caldari started sharing a weapon system."---Vermaak Doe-- "Ohh squabbles ohh I love my dust trolls like watching an episode of Maury with less " Is he my Dad " but more of " My Neighbor took a dump on my lawn " good episode! pops more corn" ---Evernub--
Calak Jivan
The Mucking Fuppets
#7 - 2013-11-22 04:47:19 UTC
Drake Doe wrote:
Most, if not all destroyers have to make sacrifices to fit their largest weapons, why should the thrasher be any different?


it should not. that that sacrifice should not be -every single other fitting slot it has-
Drake Doe
88Th Tax Haven
#8 - 2013-11-22 04:52:18 UTC
Calak Jivan wrote:
Drake Doe wrote:
Most, if not all destroyers have to make sacrifices to fit their largest weapons, why should the thrasher be any different?


it should not. that that sacrifice should not be -every single other fitting slot it has-


Which is the same sacrifice made when trying to fit the most taxing frigate guns on the other destroyers, so once again it needs to make sacrifices too.

"The homogenization of EVE began when Gallente and Caldari started sharing a weapon system."---Vermaak Doe-- "Ohh squabbles ohh I love my dust trolls like watching an episode of Maury with less " Is he my Dad " but more of " My Neighbor took a dump on my lawn " good episode! pops more corn" ---Evernub--
To mare
Advanced Technology
#9 - 2013-11-22 05:06:03 UTC
if you have very good skill you can fit whatever you want on a thrasher, even T2 arty
if you dont have good skill you make compromises, simple as that.

if you sacrifice just 1 low slot for a micro auxiliary power core you will plenty of room to fill all the other slots unless you pretend to be able to fit something silly like a 400m plate and 280`s
Peto Kabukicho
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-11-22 18:01:27 UTC
So, yeah you can fit 280mm arties, its just as everyone else pointed out, you have to make a choice between dps or tank, similiar to pretty much every ship in eve. i included something, that i put together on pfya feel free to use it as a guideline or trash it, hope that helps. Remember when it comes to fitting frigs and destroyers the Micro auxiliary power core is your friend.

CPU 202:212
PG 93.6:100


[Thrasher, Thrasher fit copy]

Micro Auxiliary Power Core I
Damage Control II

Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I
Warp Disruptor II
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I

280mm 'Scout' Artillery I
280mm 'Scout' Artillery I
280mm 'Scout' Artillery I
280mm 'Scout' Artillery I
280mm 'Scout' Artillery I
280mm 'Scout' Artillery I
280mm 'Scout' Artillery I
[Empty High slot]

[Empty Rig slot]
[Empty Rig slot]
[Empty Rig slot]
Cable Udan
Balls Deep Inc.
#11 - 2013-11-22 18:16:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Cable Udan
[Thrasher, 280s]

Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Gyrostabilizer II

Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I
Warp Disruptor II
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I

280mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP S
280mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP S
280mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP S
280mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP S
280mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP S
280mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP S
280mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP S
[Empty High slot]

Small Ancillary Current Router I
Small Ancillary Current Router I
Small Projectile Collision Accelerator I

So you need two fitting rigs but you have no tank and you're doing 1754 alpha; you can't have the best of both worlds.

(Fit uses all V's. 203/212.5 CPU and 104/105.9 PG).