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Well Done CCP - OP Success on Nullsec

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Tuggboat
Oneida Inc.
#21 - 2013-11-22 14:21:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Tuggboat
What came out of OP's Pie hole,

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guess making 70% of nullsec rental space was CCPs future for eve - right?

I guess that gives us the real vibrant, confrontational, dynamic pvp environment you was looking for then? Roll I mean we might as well just get rid of all the resources that large nullsec alliances are 'supposed' to exploit.

So in rubicon v2 please remove all belts, all crappy moons, all anoms, infact why dont you just remove nullsec its not like anyone actually lives there and creates some real economies is it? Roll

in fact if they not gonna actually use it, then why not just make it all NPC nullsec instead. Yeah thats what we need..


What i hear:

70 percent of sov space is for rent.

You are looking for real conflict. CCP should get rid resources that are not easily exploitable.

belts low income moons and anoms are easy to exploit. Nobody lives in null, the economy is not real.

Go back to an NPC economy because people are not using sov.

Please continue
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#22 - 2013-11-22 14:29:16 UTC
Mr R4nd0m wrote:
I guess making 70% of nullsec rental space was CCPs future for eve - right?

I guess that gives us the real vibrant, confrontational, dynamic pvp environment you was looking for then? Roll I mean we might as well just get rid of all the resources that large nullsec alliances are 'supposed' to exploit.

So in rubicon v2 please remove all belts, all crappy moons, all anoms, infact why dont you just remove nullsec its not like anyone actually lives there and creates some real economies is it? Roll

in fact if they not gonna actually use it, then why not just make it all NPC nullsec instead. Yeah thats what we need..


There is a reason that the game has taken this turn over the past couple years.
As Hal Holbrook said, "Follow the money."
Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#23 - 2013-11-22 15:18:48 UTC
Mr R4nd0m wrote:
I guess making 70% of nullsec rental space was CCPs future for eve - right?

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CCP makes the rules.
The players make the outcome.
This is our vision not CCP's and if you don't like it join a group that fights against it. There are many of us fighting that fight already.
It is not CCP's job to determine the outcome and it never was and hopefully never will be.
This is why the eve sandbox is better than a scripted story that the themeparks offer.

Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85
Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
SONS of BANE
#24 - 2013-11-22 15:36:41 UTC
RMTsec
flakeys
Doomheim
#25 - 2013-11-22 15:40:32 UTC  |  Edited by: flakeys
Mr R4nd0m wrote:
Inquisitor Ageri wrote:
Mr R4nd0m wrote:
its not like anyone actually lives there


Good point.

Oh, and biomass yourself.


At least post with your main, if you want to make silly childish comments, so we can all laugh at you in game. Oh wait that's why you didn't. Because posting comments like that must mean you are at least 13 yrs old



Your playing for 10 years you say yet this char is only 2 years old and has no killboard record and is in a 2 man corp for most of it's time.

Wait , who needed to post with his main ?

Mr R4nd0m wrote:
I guess making 70% of nullsec rental spacewas CCPs future for eve - right?

I guess that gives us the real vibrant, confrontational, dynamic pvp environment you was looking for then? Roll I mean we might as well just get rid of all the resources that large nullsec alliances are 'supposed' to exploit.

So in rubicon v2 please remove all belts, all crappy moons, all anoms, infact why dont you just remove nullsec its not like anyone actually lives there and creates some real economies is it?Roll

in fact if they not gonna actually use it, then why not just make it all NPC nullsec instead. Yeah thats what we need..



You do realise that there now are actualy more pliots living there then in the time there was no rental space right?

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2013-11-22 15:55:49 UTC
Mr R4nd0m wrote:
I guess making 70% of nullsec rental space was CCPs future for eve - right?

I guess that gives us the real vibrant, confrontational, dynamic pvp environment you was looking for then? Roll I mean we might as well just get rid of all the resources that large nullsec alliances are 'supposed' to exploit.

So in rubicon v2 please remove all belts, all crappy moons, all anoms, infact why dont you just remove nullsec its not like anyone actually lives there and creates some real economies is it? Roll

in fact if they not gonna actually use it, then why not just make it all NPC nullsec instead. Yeah thats what we need..


Nullbear tears. So tasty.

~ Professional Forum Alt  ~
Leigh Akiga
Kuhri Innovations
#27 - 2013-11-22 16:06:35 UTC
Mr R4nd0m wrote:
So in rubicon v2 please remove all belts, all crappy moons, all anoms, infact why dont you just remove nullsec its not like anyone actually lives there and creates some real economies is it? Roll


I used to live in our space and do anomalies and stuff because the isk was pretty good and I felt like I was helping the cause through my ratting taxes.

Now with Rubicon, and swarms of unstoppable Interceptor gangs everywhere its not even viable to run an anomaly without having to stop and get safe every five minutes.

So I have moved to highsec full time as far as 'living' and making a living. And only fight in 0.0

Not sure if this is the way its supposed to be..
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#28 - 2013-11-22 16:13:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Batelle
Renters are 1000 times better than de-populated regions supported by their moons alone.

Yeah renters suck, whatever, get over it. If you're in an alliance that has renters, do what every other slumlord alliance has done and get an alt in a local pirate/roaming corp and kill them for fun.

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

Never forget.
JC Anderson
RED ROSE THORN
#29 - 2013-11-22 16:26:36 UTC
Wait, renters are new?
Kamii OhnoKazii
Valentius Corporation
Valentius Corporation Alliance
#30 - 2013-11-22 16:32:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Kamii OhnoKazii
Mr R4nd0m wrote:
I guess making 70% of nullsec rental space was CCPs future for eve - right?

I guess that gives us the real vibrant, confrontational, dynamic pvp environment you was looking for then? Roll I mean we might as well just get rid of all the resources that large nullsec alliances are 'supposed' to exploit.

So in rubicon v2 please remove all belts, all crappy moons, all anoms, infact why dont you just remove nullsec its not like anyone actually lives there and creates some real economies is it? Roll

in fact if they not gonna actually use it, then why not just make it all NPC nullsec instead. Yeah thats what we need..


Good Idea - I vote for a renaming to "Dull-Sec" when nothing is left, move it all to Low-Sec and call that Now-Sec, and then leave High-Sec as it is and call that Sigh-Sec.... would that make you feel better?

I think they (CCP) is moving in a more dynamic direction while trying not to kick over the apple-cart, but hey can't make waffles without scrambling the eggs you know.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#31 - 2013-11-22 17:08:08 UTC
What else are we to do with our vast empty space?
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#32 - 2013-11-22 17:18:11 UTC
Mr R4nd0m wrote:
I guess making 70% of nullsec rental space was CCPs future for eve - right?

I guess that gives us the real vibrant, confrontational, dynamic pvp environment you was looking for then? Roll I mean we might as well just get rid of all the resources that large nullsec alliances are 'supposed' to exploit.

So in rubicon v2 please remove all belts, all crappy moons, all anoms, infact why dont you just remove nullsec its not like anyone actually lives there and creates some real economies is it? Roll

in fact if they not gonna actually use it, then why not just make it all NPC nullsec instead. Yeah thats what we need..





Your rant falls short.

Anybody wanna see things really get interesting?


Let's make all resources in the game FINITE.


The blue blocs will be like cuttlefish in mere months.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#33 - 2013-11-22 17:21:34 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Mr R4nd0m wrote:
I guess making 70% of nullsec rental space was CCPs future for eve - right?

I guess that gives us the real vibrant, confrontational, dynamic pvp environment you was looking for then? Roll I mean we might as well just get rid of all the resources that large nullsec alliances are 'supposed' to exploit.

So in rubicon v2 please remove all belts, all crappy moons, all anoms, infact why dont you just remove nullsec its not like anyone actually lives there and creates some real economies is it? Roll

in fact if they not gonna actually use it, then why not just make it all NPC nullsec instead. Yeah thats what we need..





Your rant falls short.

Anybody wanna see things really get interesting?


Let's make all resources in the game FINITE.


The blue blocs will be like cuttlefish in mere months.


As oppsoed to the high sec players who will fold in a matter of days, unsubbing rather than moving to a new system to mission/mine in. Null/low/wormhole players have demonstrated an ability to adapt to changing circumstances (evidenced by the fact that they live outside high sec), its the high sec crowd thats most vulnerable to what you seem to want to happen.
Ruezer
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2013-11-22 17:34:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Ruezer
Renting is a hell of a deal. Get your own system in 0.0, do whatever you want in it (excluding getting R32 or R64 moons Cry) not have to do CTAs daily, but get defense from the landlords if someone tries to take the sov.

Honestly, if you like to play the game the way you wanna play it, there is no better option for sov 0.0. Great emergent gameplay provided by these "big bad alliances".

EDIT: Also, you make so much isk and rent prices are fairly cheap in comparison to how much you can make, even for a small corp/alliance.
Mr R4nd0m
Doomheim
#35 - 2013-11-22 17:56:18 UTC
if people want to rent then that's up to them. This is not my point so stop getting upset and defensive.

This is purely about where nullsec is going and that its just turned into a giant rental doughnut when really the alliances SHOULD be exploting the nullsec resources, thats why they are there!

Also for people commenting. Renters do not sit there grinding 24/7, some may do but most dont. So yes for some it could be a ISK maker but for most its not. Also have some of you even bothered to fly through renter space? its TOTALLY dead. So please explain where all these renters are then?

Ruezer
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2013-11-22 18:07:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Ruezer
Mr R4nd0m wrote:
if people want to rent then that's up to them. This is not my point so stop getting upset and defensive.

This is purely about where nullsec is going and that its just turned into a giant rental doughnut when really the alliances SHOULD be exploting the nullsec resources, thats why they are there!

Also for people commenting. Renters do not sit there grinding 24/7, some may do but most dont. So yes for some it could be a ISK maker but for most its not. Also have some of you even bothered to fly through renter space? its TOTALLY dead. So please explain where all these renters are then?



One thing I've noticed is that some of N3's rental regions seem to be very TZ specific. I can hop on now and the region I live in will have a lot of people on, while during my primetime, it's kind of dead.

EDIT: also keep in mind, not all systems will be rented at all times, primarily pipe systems.
Mr R4nd0m
Doomheim
#37 - 2013-11-22 18:33:16 UTC
AttentionThere is approx 700 systems, 230 outposts that are part of some rental alliance! that is incredible! and ridiculous.Attention
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
#38 - 2013-11-22 18:47:17 UTC
Mr R4nd0m wrote:
AttentionThere is approx 700 systems, 230 outposts that are part of some rental alliance! that is incredible! and ridiculous.Attention


Why?

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Ustrello
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#39 - 2013-11-22 18:49:19 UTC
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Toshiro Ozuwara wrote:
I don't understand why people get mad about nullsec. Players have created corps, formed alliances, and then added coalitions on top. They have mined moons, they have mined, ratted and PI harvested.

They found the best way to make money in nullsec was to rent.

This is emergent behavior, not the fault of CCP. If you want them to intervene, what you're saying is that you don't like the sandbox (and implicitly, are too impotent to do anything about it).

Well organized and motivated player groups are always going to optimize the game for their personal gain. Either become one, join one or keep being a hisec publord. Alternately, you can join the CFC and become a nullsec publord, but that's a topic for another day.



You can hae sandboxes with different shapes and types of sand..

Most people that ocmplain were in the old 0.0 time,w hen there were tons of independent alliacnes and lots of smaller wars.

And they know how it was more fun.

Simple as that. people want fun.. and some miss that age. Its like 2007 0.0 was like world before WW1. Current 0.0 is like world after WW2.


Some people would just liek the sand type to be adjusted so that massive power blocks with most space being held by incompetent renters to not be the only way to be in 0.0. No need to remove this way of living, some just liekd when eve politics was way more complicated, with dozens of parties to consider.




Now add a sun tzu quote and you'll complete the cycle
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#40 - 2013-11-22 18:51:02 UTC
Beekeeper Bob wrote:
Mr R4nd0m wrote:
AttentionThere is approx 700 systems, 230 outposts that are part of some rental alliance! that is incredible! and ridiculous.Attention


Why?

Because he says so.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)