EVE Fiction

Are they alive still? Is the recent activity in Jovian space, picked up by long range sensors, even Jovian?

I am hoping with the new SOE exploration ships we will encounter the Jove in New Eden space again soon. As we expand we should run into them keeping an eye on us.

No, the Jove are not extinct.. It was a rhetorical question. I was hoping for someone to ruminate on what they think has become of them. While Jovian corporations do business in empire space, it is doubtful they have capitulated to the Jovian Disease, as yet. But the agents you interact with in Jovian stations are not Jovians. Physical proof of their continued presence in the cluster is nil. Or is it?

I have heard that thrown around on the Evelopedia, the Forums and in game channels. The Empires regularly monitor and report on long range scans indicating there is activity in the Jovian region. Ask a Dev for further clarification, if they elect to comment on it.

The Blood Stained Stars arc ends with the capture of Dagan, a rogue Society of Conscious Thought operative, and Jovian Capsuleer. Who is the likely shadowy figure who gives the override code to the Blood Raiders for the rogue drones guarding Jamyl's superweapon in the chronicles covering the opening of the wormholes. He is to be turned over to the Sister's of Eve for psychological treatment, at least as I interpret the situation.

All the Empires have representatives present at this exchange, Amann Karris recently pointed out to me that perhaps the Jove were present, as well. Something I have suspected for a long time. Which brings me to the point I was trying to reinforce, hoping I and Amann were not alone in this train of thought. The Rogue Drones. And how they tie in.

The Yan Jung Cosmos arc seems to imply that a “new” breed of Drone is evolving, perhaps antithetical to the Rogues. The Yan Jung, along with the Talocan, are the oldest ancient races we have evidence of. The Yan Jung ruins are being invaded and stripped for advanced technology by these “new” drones. The Yan Jung were a planetary based, space faring society, the Talocan a space based nomadic society that came through the gate with the Yang Jung, and "all the rest of us".

Back to the Blood Stained Stars arc. Earlier in the arc we destroy some Rogue Drone structures that emulate Jovian station designs. And then appear to assist in the “protection” of one of these structures for the Caldari Navy. If this branch is selected.. When you turn Dagan over at the end of the arc, this mobile Rogue Drone station is present. It then disappears, apparently capable of a travel method hinted to be achievable by the Enheduanni, and soon, the Jove. Grious discloses this way back in Theodicy.

Here we have to meditate on the nature of the Empyrean. On the nature of the Infomorph. The Sleepers and Jove have approached this human potentiality using different methods. The limited compatibility of these methods apparent in the two types of Empyrean, Capsuleer and Dust soldier.

Just how disparate and divided have the Jove and Sleepers become since the closing of Eve? The old lore says the Jove have two main branches, Statics and Modifiers, the Sleepers were Jovian Stasis People, Jove of ALL types who became bored and disappointed with immortality, or were seeking a cure for the Jovian Disease. I always imagined the Architects were the Jovian Elders, the ruling class. You imply the Architects are the Sleepers..? Thus making the Sleepers the Enheduanni? I think that is wrong..

The Enheduanni were said to be the builders of the Sleeper Enclaves, the Construct, not the residents... They helped the residents in and out. The residents are the memory chips in the machine, not the cpu.. No? As presented in the novels, has Grious ever BEEN IN the Construct? The idea that the Jovians are all infomorphs, which I think lore does support, suggests the Elders and even common Jove are VERY old...

Grious also says the Enheduanni are not human anymore, as well. Take that as you will. The Sleepers are still human, as long as they have a body to return to. The Enheduanni are something more. The State...

The Jovians unanimous driving imperative is the acquisition of knowledge, any and all knowledge. In effect, they all seek the ToE, or the theory of everything, it is their religion. When the theory consistently proves to be unattainable, or an endless quest, I think the Jove just get tired of living, that is the Jovian Disease. The Jovians seem to view this as an abberation that needs to be fixed. Dying is an individual failure, knowledge is lost, this is a failure for their society.

The slumbering God. Knowledge. Odin, the all seeing All Father of Thor.. Jupiter.. Jove...

There is one Jove I know of in empire space called Veniel. Ran a locator on him and tracked him to Jita 4-4.

Not sure how long he's been there or for what purpose.

Sorry, the who?

Falcon, weren't you the one saying it's hard to get good whiskey out there...?

That said, Roga; I missed a number of chronicles during a hiatus. I need to reread them all to make sure I'm not missing important elements of the lore, or haven't forgotten important Jove tie-ins. My apologies; I will definitely have missed some details.

That said, on the Architects/Jove/Sleepers. In Templar One (which is actually not nearly as bad as TEA, and I'd be willing to send my copies of both to you if you'd like), Grious gives Marcus Jror a lot of exposition which I'll need to reread to fully commit. He speaks of the Jove as being one of many peoples coming through the gate, and that the Architects are in fact one of the most impoverished-- a separate group. They're then recruited by the Jove for various purposes, and they grow alongside-- eventually resulting in the use of VR/the Construct for time-compressed consciousness and scientific development.

This is the point at which the Architects grossly outstrip the Jove in technology, and then begin trying to guide the Jove to join them-- presumably in the Construct. Now, how Talocan/Yan Jung/Tahkmahl break down from there I'm not completely clear. Now, here's one thing: the DUST implants have two different types of consciousness in them. One I can only assume is Architect/Sleeper-- the other, I'm assuming, is essentially 'captured Jove.' Again, I need to reread-- I got most of it, but a second reading'll commit it properly. My suspicion is that the residents of the Sleeper enclaves are the Sleepers/Architects mostly-- but also the Talocan/Jove precursor, who were being 'assisted' into the Sleeper Enclaves by the Jove Disease, which was engineered by the Enheduanni/Sleepers to convince the Jove to join the Construct as a way to escape the sickness of the flesh. The Enheduanni are both the protectors of the Sleeper Enclaves, and also the powerful AI tasked with expanding the Enclaves and welcoming the Jove back to the fold-- wasn't there a line about how the Wormholes are where the enemy lies? Do you remember where I could find that?

My thought is that the Enheduanni are essentially a memetic virus of some sort-- presumably a pure infomorph that was at its earliest stage a human consciousness but has since been evolved/tweaked/gestated in the Construct sufficiently to operate beyond human understanding. How this plays into the Enheduanni in Sarum's head wanting DUST technology to expand is a good question-- but my assumption is that destabilization is seen as a path to allowing the expansion of the Sleepers, or perhaps that the Enheduanni values the 'pure infomorph' and believes that the Sleeper ideal of having a body to return to is wasteful or destructive, or the Enheduanni are not concerned with Sleeper bodies when their consciousness is preserved. In that case, the loss of a body for the chance of expanding control of New Eden for the sake of securing the remnants of the Jove may seem ideal.

That said, I agree that indications are that the Rogue Drones and other AI constructs are being tampered with-- and that this likely ties in with the Sleepers/Enheduanni. Now, how this ties into the Sansha presence in Jove space is another question-- do they have enough grounding in the human consciousness (as a hive mind) to escape Enheduanni infiltration? Or are they infected with a meme virus, and laying siege to Jove space?

So-- pardon. I shouldn't say that the implants have two consciousnesses? But rather, they have one or another type-- which implies, essentially, that they're recording and storing the consciousness of the body that the implant is in. Consider what you said about the Jove thinking that death and conciousness-loss is a wound to a society; wouldn't you want to develop a technology that allows you to record the mindstate of a person, so that even in death they could join the Construct?

And so using this technology for DUST mercenaries, those stored consciousnesses are linked to bodies-- unless you wipe the slate, which is what the Empires do with later-generation DUST technology.

mm! I'm not sure it's quite like that? I mean, it's a fun idea, but:

The DUST/Sleeper implants function as a fifth lobe, and retain a technologically-preserved copy of a person's mindstate -- a Sleeper who has been in the Construct for simulated eons, warm, cozy, imagining vibrant, wonderful worlds. They're severed from it, and inserted into the mind of a young, dirty ape-- they are no longer a full consciousness, but instead the memory of one, without the power of the Construct to simulate their consciousness fully. As time goes on and the DUST clone's infomorph acclimatizes to the implant, the stored memories/consciousness are associated with the clone's memories, and you get bleedthrough, schizophrenia, or an intensely alienating feeling that this world is a shallow, grim, painful simulacrum of what it should be, which is the glorious light and welcoming feeling of the Construct.

An Enheduanni is different from a mere Sleeper; perhaps previously a Sleeper, an Enheduanni has been gestated/developed in such a way that it is able to maintain its consciousness/infomorph state independent of exposure to another consciousness; they're a Ghost in the Machine, a hardened memetic virus or AI, but presumably can't just 'inhabit' a normal body. This is why Sarum had to be significantly modified-- so that the Enheduanni could inhabit a prepared brain/implant mesh, and thus also communicate with/control Sarum's agents via entangled implants.

Rogue drones are almost certainly the intervention of an outside force given the CONCORD report on AI tampering-- and the Enheduanni fit the bill. I wouldn't be surprised if the rogue drones generally aren't sophisticated enough to properly house the Enheduanni, and so act as eyes-and-ears and so on. Further, this would explain the similarity between some rogue drones' appearances and Sleeper drones', and why the Rogue Drones' station constructs seemingly resemble Sleeper/Jove constructs.

2 times now :P Stop the disinformation- they're waiting for me, I know it

All of that besides, I have all of their ships and the station in my bio... and we have genos, which were just released- they're alive and kicking

I love the Eidolon- you should send a fleet of them to jita sometime