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Ira Kin Mayaki
Perkone
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-11-19 21:52:35 UTC
I just moved from CNR to Golem and I havent tested the bastion module yet because I need to decide on the shield booster I am gonna buy.

At the moment I was flying CNR with the Gist A-type X-Large shield booster.

What should I replace this booster with for my Golem? I know x-large might be a little overtank... Other shield modules in mid slots will be:

-2 x Invulnerability
-1 x Shield boost Amps

And when it comes to rigs. Should go with 2 x Rigors or 1 x Rigor and 1 x Flare (This is a Cruise Golem fit)

Thanks.

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Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#2 - 2013-11-19 22:12:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Batelle
Gist a-type XL is pretty fantastic. You are trying to DOWNGRADE the shield booster right? Because just about anything you choose WILL be a downgrade. I figure this is what you're trying to do anyway, just because bastion will mean you need less tank.

If you want something that will permaboost or at least can be left on for several minutes, pithum boosters and gist L boosters should fit the bill, although the lower grade gist L boosters have some issues with low rep/s despite being highly efficient.

Pithum C-types are dirt cheap, will boost forever, and have rather respectable performance. Probably more than enough with bastion mode engaged. But if you want to fit more target painters, keep your fancy booster and just get rid of any Boost amps or possibly superfluous hardeners.

If you want to save money but keep high burst, go for pith XLs. They're cheap and boost fast but suck major cap.

If you're not trying to save money or save fittings, keep your very nice booster.

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Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2013-11-19 22:13:18 UTC
with bastion on any booster will work unless its small one. for rigs get t2 rate of fire one and t2 flare . 3 tps 2 shild resist 1 booster and 1 for anything you want.

dont worrk about defenders, they are minor compare to the damage lost due to target velocity. only thing that works is sort targets by speed and shoot the slowest one first .
hellcane
Never Back Down
#4 - 2013-11-19 23:37:10 UTC
400 tank will do you for 95% of 4s, so shoot for around there
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#5 - 2013-11-20 00:10:10 UTC
Batelle wrote:
Pithum C-types are dirt cheap, will boost forever, and have rather respectable performance. Probably more than enough with bastion mode engaged. But if you want to fit more target painters, keep your fancy booster and just get rid of any Boost amps or possibly superfluous hardeners.


they boost more than enough without bastion mode.

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Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#6 - 2013-11-20 00:36:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Anize Oramara
A large or XL T2 (Both have the same shield hp/cap) and a single T2 invul is enough to tank 95% of all L4 missions up to and including FULL ROOM AGGRO. No DCU, no Amp, No faction anything. (391/1264 dps tank with all V)

I'm sure you can figure out the rest.

I've tested it. THe only missions I have had issues with is AE Bonus room (add a single Invul) and Gurista assault (Full room aggro killed me)

According to EFT at all 5 a single Pith X-type XL can tank 406/1458 dps without a single hardner or amp. Just bastion and the shield booster. No implants.

A gist X-type XL 617/1173

So yea, all hail bastion

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stoicfaux
#7 - 2013-11-20 03:14:33 UTC
Pre-rubicon I was using a Pithum C-Type MSB. You couldn't do the AE bonus room (but that was probably due to the short range of torps (this was pre-cruise buff.)

With Rubicon, with bastion, you can run a two slot tank (Pithum C MSB, Invul or EM hardener) and have 17m of cap.

Bring along a mobile depot to swap out a mid for an MWD for those times when you need to scoot to the next gate.

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Kirkwood Ross
Golden Profession
#8 - 2013-11-20 04:46:16 UTC
Bastion with a T2 Large or XL Shield Booster is pretty overkill right now for L4s maybe add 1 hardener. Fit Max DPS with some target painters and L4s are super easy.
Janna Windforce
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-11-20 06:59:47 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
Pre-rubicon I was using a Pithum C-Type MSB. You couldn't do the AE bonus room (but that was probably due to the short range of torps (this was pre-cruise buff.)

With Rubicon, with bastion, you can run a two slot tank (Pithum C MSB, Invul or EM hardener) and have 17m of cap.

Bring along a mobile depot to swap out a mid for an MWD for those times when you need to scoot to the next gate.



This. Medium booster is enough and is nice on your cap.
Fia Magrath
The Clown Inquisition
#10 - 2013-11-20 07:24:54 UTC
pith c med booster is enough for any l4, the bastion module.. meh ill just get another tractor beam
torps and max dps 4tw
Thaddeus Eggeras
Urkrathos Corp
#11 - 2013-11-20 16:09:14 UTC
The Golem now can easily either use a c-pith shield boost with one shield boost amp or just a large T2 shield boost and be more then good for defense in bastion. You don't need a x-large shield boost at all. The Golem with cruise missiles and bastion can just sit and hit anything within 118km and have little issue. Just have a couple TP also to help and scout drones for any frigates that get within 10km of you.
Ira Kin Mayaki
Perkone
Caldari State
#12 - 2013-11-21 14:31:42 UTC
which one would recon the Gist A-type Large shield booster or Pithium A-type medium shield booster?

Gist Large is cheaper and will last 8 minutes
Pithium Medium more expensive but will last 16 minutes (has 200 less tank according to eft)

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Nolen Cadmar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#13 - 2013-11-21 15:00:12 UTC
I would stick with the Gist-A XL booster. I myself use a Pith A XL. gives a bit more boost but uses more cap. Both are excellent and should be more than enough to run L4's, expecially when in Bastion.

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Thaddeus Eggeras
Urkrathos Corp
#14 - 2013-11-21 16:38:25 UTC
Golem - Dory

High -
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Bastion Mode I
Heavy Diminishing Power System Drain I
Salvager II
Small Tractor Beam II

Medium -
Pith C-Type Large Shield Booster
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
EM Ward Amplifier II
Target Painter II
Target Painter II

Low -
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Rig -
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II

Drones -
x5 Hobgoblin II
x5 Warrior II
x5 Salvage Drone I

Cargo -
x12800 Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Mobile Tractor Unit

1001 DPS
Able to hit anything within 118km
Will usually pop cruisers and frigates in one shot
Over 8mins of cap time
Mobile tractor unit for those long to reach wrecks
Tank is 900 plus every 3.2secs
Anything not T2 is because it is Meta 4 and does better then it's T2 brother, or because the bastion only has a I one version.
Fit close is way under 1.5bil
Bastion Arzi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2013-11-21 17:14:56 UTC
Anize Oramara wrote:
all hail bastion


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