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Why hi sec players will NOT move into low or null no matter how much you cry about it.

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#1 Posted: 2011.11.11 05:53

Have you ever considered the reason most people don't go into null or low sec is because you're out there? This may be hard to believe, and it isn't meant as an insult. If your idea of "play" is destroying things, including the efforts and aspirations of other people, and you're unhappy with null and low sec because there's just not enough people out there to get your ya yas out, it may be highly likely the problem is with you, not the mechanics of the game.

The reason I say this is this issue of null/low/hi sec keeps getting tossed around, but the cogent point about why players aren't encouraged with the idea of leaving hi sec specifically isn't really covered adequately, or is so heavily stomped on by the "destructive" players who also can't seem to keep their attitudes confined to their playing "styles."

So, here it is. The great majority of EVE players do not find constantly fighting with no real opportunity to be creative (rather than destructive) a satisfying, enjoyable or productive way to spend time. This obviates (Google it) itself by the sheer numbers of complaints from the destructive players, and the relative lack of similar complaints by those who are contemptuously labeled "Care Bears." It's even to the point where the destructive minority is urging CCP to change game mechanics to force the productive players into their arena so they may be supplied with a steady stream of victims.

Oddly enough, this disdain for a destructive gaming style has not so much to do with cowardice (and the destructive types with some sort of bravery) as it has to do with the mind-numbing repetitiveness of destructive gameplay. Face it. More intelligent, and widely versed people require something a bit more intricate than pew pew to attract their interest. Self-imagined thugs, however, need only to kick a hole in something to get their titillating giggles out. The adrenalin rush is okay. The satisfaction of seeing an intricately planned and well-executed creation reach fruition is much, much better.

As long as the majority of players see null and low sec as a sucker's bet populated only by those that intend to destroy everything creative players build, just to provide yucks for a minority of vocal (putting it nicely) vandals you will NOT see a major migration of hi sec players into low or null sec. Funny thing about intelligent people. They aren't stupid.

Read it and weep.

People who want to create, should play games about creation. Such as, Farmville, or The Sims.

People who want to compete, should play competitive games. Such as, Quake, or EVE Online.

Problem?

More of the items in Eve are PC created than in any of the other games you mentioned. Likely more than all the games you mentioned combined. Problem?

i just got here and im new to all this but i just want to mine and we need to change the rules to stop pvpers because i shouldnt have to play like them

People who want to create, should play games about creation. Such as, Farmville, or The Sims.

People who want to compete, should play competitive games. Such as, Quake, or EVE Online.

Problem?

The answer is much simpler.
It's all about the combination between ISK bottom line and enjoyment derivable from said ISK bottom line.

Given a certain highsec dweller (think random picks on a bell curve, not archetypes), on their own personal risk-vs-effort-vs-reward colour-coded "worth doing" 3D potential activity scatter graph (which differs from person to person AND also differs from day to day for the same person), at the CURRENT most likely values for most people (given likely death rates, cost of death, available activities to the best of their knowledge, most likely self-estimated average rewards for those activities if that particular person did it now, amount of effort needed for due diligence, time spent doing stuff, availability of replacements, various other convenience factors), most of the non-highsec activities//areas rate lower on the overall "worth doing" scale than similar activities//areas in highsec.

You can "fix" that problem by making non-highsec more attractive on that fabled graph.
You can do that by either (most obviously) upping the average rewards for doing stuff there as opposed to doing it in highsec... or by decreasing risks (which is basically what the OP is implying should be done, but which is not really all that feasible, at least not for the time being)... or by increasing enjoyment of living in non-highsec (which could be an alternative, eventually, but it's not that easy ; in the long run, that's the best option, but it also gives the least tangible results for the maximum amount of man-hours spent doing it, and as such is unlikely to happen very soon).
So basically, the easiest and most feasible of all the possible ways to "solve" this is to boost average rewards for non-highsec even higher than they are now (because they ARE generally higher, but not high enough yet).

Want people out in lowsec in droves ?
Low and null buff is much needed. But it needs to be a broad buff with a lot of availability. Because there are extremely lucrative null sec resources. The problem being they are easily monopolized. Buffing the plexes and mining yields are what we need. a low-sec gold rush must be fueled by gains that individual pilots can see.

Make it so that after figuring out and compensating for most likely losses of a reasonably cautious pilot, that player still rakes in noticeably more ISK per non-enjoyable work unit (a combination of non-pleasurable effort needed and time needed to accomplish it) than anything similar done in highsec.


Yes, it IS that simple.
If you boost rewards in lowsec high ENOUGH then plenty more people move there eventually.

The answer is much simpler.
And stuff.