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TEST and Caldari FW Proudly Announce Tier 4 Benefits to All Ex-Gallente

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Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#101 - 2013-11-18 20:28:41 UTC
So which Caldari systems are Tier 5?
Faife
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#102 - 2013-11-18 20:37:56 UTC
Estella Osoka wrote:
So which Caldari systems are Tier 5?


If there was only map you could use to figure that out.
ZheoTheThird
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#103 - 2013-11-18 20:57:04 UTC
Garan Nardieu wrote:
ZheoTheThird wrote:
Hold on, let me update my checklist here. So you guys went from 'we'll stomp you' to 'WZ control means nothing' ...
Denial of facts just makes you look bad


Actually we went from "we're telling you how its gonna be" to "we told you so". I've made a rather accurate prediction of what will happen in time after Test joining FW here. The only things I've personally missed is the TMC headline (although I'd give that one more time) and expecting more bleeding of members which is definitely my mistake (I forgot that the ones wanting a change for better probably left long time ago).

To be clear, no clairvoyance is required for such a prediction, one only needs to be in FW long enough to know its dynamics. However, trying to explain anything to you and likes of you makes no sense whatsoever so just keep on spewing your stuff here and in local, any tears shed will be due to boredom of having to read the garbage your lot is so proud of.

I stopped reading after "it's the way the pendulum swings right now". When TEST joined, calmil was practically dead. There was no sign of calmil suddenly gaining strength at all. The prediction you made was one a 5 year old could have made, and you still got it wrong. While I agree that usually there's a sort of pendulum in FW, that does not apply when a powerful entity dominates a militia - namely fweddit in amarr or TEST in caldari. Instead of insisting that the current failure of gallente is merely coincidence, maybe accept the fact that gallente just can't deal with anything scarier than an unorganised kitchen sink fleet consisting of random militia dudes.

You should also drop that whole elitism gimmick, you aren't relevant enough to impress anyone.
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#104 - 2013-11-18 20:57:07 UTC
Faife wrote:
Estella Osoka wrote:
So which Caldari systems are Tier 5?


If there was only map you could use to figure that out.


I'm too lazy. Please provide a list.
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#105 - 2013-11-18 20:58:53 UTC
ZheoTheThird wrote:

You should also drop that whole elitism gimmick, you aren't relevant enough to impress anyone.


No one is, including TEST. Goonies made sure of that.
ZheoTheThird
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#106 - 2013-11-18 21:04:36 UTC
ALUCARD 1208 wrote:
ZheoTheThird wrote:


Just acknowledge the fact that you guys haven't made a single bit of progress and have been in full on retreat for the last month. Denial of facts just makes you look bad


Retreat to where?
everyones still living in there home systems all u guys have done is take deadspace noone lives there and noone really cares about...

And b4 the blah blah t4 ur at t1 starts uv made our stockpiles of gall lp worth more and also its not hard to put a stealth bomber alt in calmil and reap the rewards of YOUR grinding.....

Retreat to empire, obviously. Soon you won't have anything else left. Also, TIL that 90% of the warzone is deadspace. We own the majority of station systems, agent systems and overall systems. Nobody needs those, right? Didn't wamt these systems anyways. We also just got enaluri, which is arguably the second best system after nenna and coincidentally has two L4 agents. Missions are going to be great!

If you have stockpiles of LP, good for you. Going by the crying in the gallente militia chat, you seem to be part of a lucky minority of vets.


Yeah, I'll stop doubleposting. Multiquoting on mobile is hard
ZheoTheThird
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#107 - 2013-11-18 21:08:56 UTC
Estella Osoka wrote:
ZheoTheThird wrote:

You should also drop that whole elitism gimmick, you aren't relevant enough to impress anyone.


No one is, including TEST. Goonies made sure of that.

About those systems: dotlan is your friend

Sicarius Draconis, didn't we beat you guys at the AT? Apart from that, I can't remember your alliance. Doesn't seem to be overly revenant
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#108 - 2013-11-18 22:43:56 UTC
Yuri Antollare wrote:


Rightly or wrongly, taking a 'home' system from us is the only path to the tears you seek :p



No time for silly distractions.


We has missions to run.
Big smileBig smileBig smile

https://soundcloud.com/ibanezlaney
George Gouillot
MASS
Pandemic Horde
#109 - 2013-11-18 23:08:23 UTC
ZheoTheThird wrote:
Garan Nardieu wrote:
ZheoTheThird wrote:
Hold on, let me update my checklist here. So you guys went from 'we'll stomp you' to 'WZ control means nothing' ...
Denial of facts just makes you look bad


Actually we went from "we're telling you how its gonna be" to "we told you so". I've made a rather accurate prediction of what will happen in time after Test joining FW here. The only things I've personally missed is the TMC headline (although I'd give that one more time) and expecting more bleeding of members which is definitely my mistake (I forgot that the ones wanting a change for better probably left long time ago).

To be clear, no clairvoyance is required for such a prediction, one only needs to be in FW long enough to know its dynamics. However, trying to explain anything to you and likes of you makes no sense whatsoever so just keep on spewing your stuff here and in local, any tears shed will be due to boredom of having to read the garbage your lot is so proud of.

I stopped reading after "it's the way the pendulum swings right now". When TEST joined, calmil was practically dead. There was no sign of calmil suddenly gaining strength at all. The prediction you made was one a 5 year old could have made, and you still got it wrong. While I agree that usually there's a sort of pendulum in FW, that does not apply when a powerful entity dominates a militia - namely fweddit in amarr or TEST in caldari. Instead of insisting that the current failure of gallente is merely coincidence, maybe accept the fact that gallente just can't deal with anything scarier than an unorganised kitchen sink fleet consisting of random militia dudes.

You should also drop that whole elitism gimmick, you aren't relevant enough to impress anyone.


Ok got it, the guys from Templis, Talons, OMG, BORG are just random militia dudes that are only capable of running unorganised kitchen sink fleets.

We definitely have to adapt our tactics and stop to primary Damar, Khan or any other of those FC's of old days and rather go for a random TEST member as they are so highly superior to the rest of CalMil. This might be our last chance to survive at least another week ...
Te Tumatauenga
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#110 - 2013-11-18 23:30:01 UTC
Also if any ex-Gallente missed it, TEST is proud to extend our LP-buying service too all of CalMil, including those who awox their way in. Our top markeeters will take all the hassle and uncertainty out of redeeming LP, doing all the market planning and paying you a flat 1,250/LP via the scam-proof contract system:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=296985
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#111 - 2013-11-19 00:48:18 UTC
ZheoTheThird wrote:
When TEST joined, calmil was practically dead. There was no sign of calmil suddenly gaining strength at all.



The only big difference between then and now is income. (and local spam)

https://soundcloud.com/ibanezlaney
Yun Kuai
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#112 - 2013-11-19 05:41:48 UTC
Te Tumatauenga wrote:
Also if any ex-Gallente missed it, TEST is proud to extend our LP-buying service too all of CalMil, including those who awox their way in. Our top markeeters will take all the hassle and uncertainty out of redeeming LP, doing all the market planning and paying you a flat 1,250/LP via the scam-proof contract system:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=296985



Only 1,250 LP. You couldn't shortchange any less or they'd just have to give all their stuff for free. TEST, the turtle head masters of losing sk. Your wallets must be hurting a lot to be offering such a low amount.

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Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#113 - 2013-11-19 05:56:06 UTC
ZheoTheThird wrote:
ALUCARD 1208 wrote:
ZheoTheThird wrote:


Just acknowledge the fact that you guys haven't made a single bit of progress and have been in full on retreat for the last month. Denial of facts just makes you look bad


Retreat to where?
everyones still living in there home systems all u guys have done is take deadspace noone lives there and noone really cares about...

And b4 the blah blah t4 ur at t1 starts uv made our stockpiles of gall lp worth more and also its not hard to put a stealth bomber alt in calmil and reap the rewards of YOUR grinding.....

Retreat to empire, obviously. Soon you won't have anything else left.


We may end up retreating to Empire eventually, but that hasn't happened yet. Possibly retreating in the future is not the same as having been "in full on retreat for the last month." Bragging about actual accomplishments is one thing. Stick to that.

ZheoTheThird wrote:
Also, TIL that 90% of the warzone is deadspace. We own the majority of station systems, agent systems and overall systems. Nobody needs those, right? Didn't wamt these systems anyways.


Um, why would we want them? Missions? Nobody in GalMil runs missions. Unlike every other faction, it is impossible to run L4 Gallente FW missions in cheap Stealth Bombers. Hence the general tendency for GalMil to be less favored by farmers. Also, as you've pointed out repeatedly... we are at Tier 1, making missions unprofitable in addition to being impractical.

Station systems? We have our home systems, why would we spread ourselves out to random other worthless stations? Furthermore, our strategic goals are focused on core systems. Which brings me to the next point...

ZheoTheThird wrote:
We also just got enaluri, which is arguably the second best system after nenna and coincidentally has two L4 agents. Missions are going to be great!


So, I'm not sure how dedicated the defense of Enaluri was but I'd lean in the direction of taking that system being a legit accomplishment. Grats! It was a hard system for us to take from the Squids back when Gorgon Empire came in bragging that they were going to kick us out of Nenna. Instead we headshotted that entire CalMil push and launched a counteroffensive that quickly saw them leaving FW and heading back to Null.

I'd say any honest analysis of our Warzone should acknowledge that TEST has been a major factor in CalMil success. Most folks do admit this I think. (It is funny reading ya'lls propaganda people trip over each other yammering about how TEST are simultaneously Caldari Raptor Jesus but definitely NOT blobbing! srsly guys we only added like 100 active pilots per timezone!) Most folks also saw exactly this situation as the likely scenario that would play out. I don't think anyone expected you guys to repeat the ignominious performance of past NullSec entities in CalMil, but we would have laughed if you had.

Instead we are laughing that we've gotten so many kills. Also at how well y'all fit in with the Cloaky Warp Core Stabilizer culture of CalMil. We do appreciate that you guys fight us, and that having you in CalMil has put slightly more spine into the regular Caldari FW corps. From what I've seen, GalMil has seen plenty of resurgent interest drawn to the high frequency of pvp content TEST has brought to the Warzone.

If you really want to get the most benefit out of this experience, you'll see that the more we fight you the better. So yeah, bring the fight to Nenna and Vlil. You'd be fools not to. But don't think you'll just waltz in, and don't let your line members have that expectation. I'd hate to see y'alls morale project scuttle from suffering the fate of every other CalMil offensive.
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#114 - 2013-11-19 07:09:35 UTC
Rinai Vero wrote:
I'd hate to see y'alls morale project scuttle from suffering the fate of every other CalMil offensive.



Correct - since all other major offensives have only failed once the Minmatar have come to back your forces up.









So maybe you predicted the future.
Rumor is - a major Minny group jumping to galLeNte very soon to try and sAve you all.

Any minnies that can confirm or deny this?

https://soundcloud.com/ibanezlaney
Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#115 - 2013-11-19 07:21:24 UTC
IbanezLaney wrote:
Rinai Vero wrote:
I'd hate to see y'alls morale project scuttle from suffering the fate of every other CalMil offensive.



Correct - since all other major offensives have only failed once the Minmatar have come to back your forces up.









So maybe you predicted the future.
Rumor is - a major Minny group jumping to galLeNte very soon to try and sAve you all.

Any minnies that can confirm or deny this?




Oh, so we're bad because we have friends now? Maybe you should play a game that doesn't involve diplomacy as a core aspect of play. Another thing TEST seems to have done well: actually herding CalMil effectively. How long d'ya figure what cohesion they've managed to bring about will last once TEST finishes with FW and goes back to Null?
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#116 - 2013-11-19 07:30:19 UTC
IbanezLaney wrote:

So maybe you predicted the future.
Rumor is - a major Minny group jumping to galLeNte very soon to try and sAve you all.

Any minnies that can confirm or deny this?


Confirmed.
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#117 - 2013-11-19 07:48:26 UTC
Rinai Vero wrote:
IbanezLaney wrote:
Rinai Vero wrote:
I'd hate to see y'alls morale project scuttle from suffering the fate of every other CalMil offensive.



Correct - since all other major offensives have only failed once the Minmatar have come to back your forces up.









So maybe you predicted the future.
Rumor is - a major Minny group jumping to galLeNte very soon to try and sAve you all.

Any minnies that can confirm or deny this?




Oh, so we're bad because we have friends now? Maybe you should play a game that doesn't involve diplomacy as a core aspect of play. Another thing TEST seems to have done well: actually herding CalMil effectively. How long d'ya figure what cohesion they've managed to bring about will last once TEST finishes with FW and goes back to Null?



I didn't say you were bad for having friends.
I was saying you really need those friends as you can't seem to do much without them (except take credit for their work - you do that very well)


What cohesion? It's the same fragmented groups as before with an extra group in the mix.

Test do their own thing 99% of the time. Yes people join fleets with others when they wish too but their is no 'organization' of CalMil Corps or Alliances at all.
If you think the Caldari Militia is being 'herded' your intel is bad. (Or you just make stuff up)

Myself and other older CalMil groups are just doing the same thing as always and will continue the same as always when Test leave.

https://soundcloud.com/ibanezlaney
Mabego Tetrimon
Spiritus Draconis
#118 - 2013-11-19 11:34:45 UTC
ZheoTheThird wrote:


You guys are bad at anything that requires more than kb stat padding. Have fun sitting holed up in eha, nenna and oms, I'll just get rich in the meantime



you know the difference between you and me?


you: "I'll get rich"
me: "I am rich"



ah, and please Test stay in FW, even if you run 80% its better then the rest of CalMil, there running quote is 99%

Mabego Tetrimon
Spiritus Draconis
#119 - 2013-11-19 11:37:16 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
Zah Damaja wrote:
I keep seeing Gallente pilots talking about how we're going to crash the CalMil market and our 'long term FW goals' .
This is obviously not true since the alts of SPDR, GMVA, Cromwell and the rest of the QCATS have already done this.


ssssh , SHUT UP
ZheoTheThird
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#120 - 2013-11-19 11:41:25 UTC
Yun Kuai wrote:
Te Tumatauenga wrote:
Also if any ex-Gallente missed it, TEST is proud to extend our LP-buying service too all of CalMil, including those who awox their way in. Our top markeeters will take all the hassle and uncertainty out of redeeming LP, doing all the market planning and paying you a flat 1,250/LP via the scam-proof contract system:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=296985



Only 1,250 LP. You couldn't shortchange any less or they'd just have to give all their stuff for free. TEST, the turtle head masters of losing sk. Your wallets must be hurting a lot to be offering such a low amount.

Gallente randoms LOVE to brag how they know oh so much about "the pendulum". This here is TEST overcoming it. Yes, you could get more isk/lp. The TEST cashout service spreads the LP over as many items as possible, slowing the inflation down quite a bit. People also pay for convenience - using this service, you're told what to buy and then simply create a contract, that's it. No market research, no hassle. It also helps filling TEST wallets - once we return to null, we'll have to pay those pesky sovbills again.

Lastly, TESTies get a rate of 1350 isk/lp. We prevent inflation and offer a convenience fee that goes to the alliance's wallets. Win/win. Nobody's forced to use that either, but it's really popular, even though it's a "low amount" and we're "losing isk".