Player Features and Ideas Discussion

A while back the cost to upgrade the clone after being podded was cut down some. 30% if I remember correctly.

Was you able to gather any data on the players in regards to this? Is there plans to have another look at them? Complete revamp?...

Complete removal?

If you had been following the change when it happened you would have learned that because of the skill book price changes, CCP Rise flat out said they could remove the cost of clone upgrades completely if they wanted. The skill book change more than eclipsed anything for an ISK sink clone upgrades were doing which allowed them the freedom to reduce the cost in the first place.

Do try and keep up.

Thank you for suggesting that, agreed

And if they could change some items in the LP stores a little, some items would get more attainable and used more often.

I know CCP likes isk destroyed and LP stores are great sinks to dump isk into for our benefit.

Ship insurance are also great sinks but since the rebalance of the tech1 general ship, the insurance no longer covers the ships base price, thus making the insurance null and void, so they don't benefit anyone.

I find that intensely difficult to believe, since skill books are a one time lump sum, and clone upgrades are a constant maintenance for most players. Especially when you consider the average skill book costs less than a clone upgrade for any player older than a year. I myself pay 13 million for clone upgrades last I checked. Most skill books area far cry from that.

Do try and keep up with actual game mechanics.

Oh really?



Like I said before Kaerakh; do try and keep up.

Clone costs = isk sink.

Average clone cost across the game would have to far outweigh isk spent on skills books I would have thought. (Would love to see some figures on this from CCP) Skill books are a one off cost whereas clone updating is a constant maintenance cost.

Insurance btw is NOT an isk sink. It introduces isk into the game. eg pay 150k for platinum get 350k back for your dead rifter etc hence NOT an isk sink. Get rid of insurance IMO would be better overall for eve economy.

Isk is by far way too easy to get in game atm thats why we have so many titans and supers running around. I remember in 2003 playing for about 2 months just to afford my first arbitrator. Some of the figures that people quote for some of their isk making is just crazy.

Of course sp/isk ratio gets worse. It follows the principles of diminished returns like everything else in eve.

I think it should still be there but it definitely needs to be looked at again. It would be nice if you had to register properly for a new clone which would be a cheap flat rate regardless of skill points, something like 2-8 million isk. If you forget your clone you pay a large fee as they have to expedite your revival when they had no registered clones available. This is when you pay a premium price for a new clone. If done twice in a row skill points are lost like the current system.

So; podded > register clone > 5m isk > podded > repeat or
podded > forgot to register > 50m isk > podded > repeat or register a damn clone

Numbers are for example purposes only and do not reflect any balanced state.
This keeps the isk sink and punishes stupid players without invalidating the system in place. It gives some leeway requiring you to be podded twice without registering a new clone before you lose skill points. Because losing SP is literally a cost to the player in cash as it takes in game time to relearn what was lost. This will help out newer players who are not yet familiar with the current system and older players during large battles where reshipping and reentering the fight can mean the difference between sov and no sov.

By far one of the best things about EVE IMO!

Otherwise we would just have wow in space.

removal ? no way.

revamp, maybe, there should still be consequences for pod deaths, don't say implants since you can bypass em via jump clones.