EVE General Discussion

You're wrong here, everyone wanted it and want it still but in proper way, not single room slo-mo doll

incarana was making an avatar experience from scratch. and they changed thier minds about it soo many times that is why we were forced to play a prototype untill crusable.

now seagulls plans are all for in space stuff...

and thats cool to me.

so call bull all you want... and bring out that crystal ball.

The V3 changes.

Unfortunately most of the good blogs etc seem to now be error 404 web pages (ie, not found). If anyone else can find anything better, please do. That's all the motivation I have for searching for it. As for the fact that Carbon was integrated during Incarna, you can see that on the official expansion website.

The whole Incarna mess was initially pretty much down to the lack of perceived content vs the promised content. They promised the earth, and delivered a "micro transaction" shop and a dingy room that turned GPUs into small suns. Then came greed is good, $1000 pants and weeks of questions, especially about "gold ammo and ships" remaining unanswered. In short they delivered a half baked expansion, with no gameplay improvements, that killed hardware and managed to severely insert vulgarity of choice off pretty much everybody in the process. All this while many core elements of the game were broken.

Looking back Incarna was actually a good thing. CCP have since embarked on a massive rework of the serious business of Internet Spaceships, they're a lot more involved with the community and there seems to be a lot of our feedback being involved in parts of the dev process.

The whole Somer thing and other recent cockups, they're an example of Murphys Law, they should have been more open about the ships being handed out to people, especially when it involves gambling, the faintest sniff of favoritism and the devious bunch of miscreants that make up the majority of Eve players.

As for Seagulls vision, I sincerely hope they pull it off because if they do, it could well be epic in scope.

..."about"? We talk in 3-4 days "about" this.

I wouldn't be adverse to some more avatar based stuff, I think it'll come, and I think we'll probably see some of it, or at least the supporting code for it, appear in the 5 year plan. It's very much a jesus feature, if it's expanded upon it has to be done right they can't risk another Incarna.

Space should always receive attention, it's the mainstay of the game and always will be.

Their vision is vague. All I see is that CCP seems to think that we like to shoot at structures (Poco's, deployable crap). They even asked for ideas for even more structures for us to shoot at. I'd rather have them fix sov warfare than give us ever more structures to shoot at.

I think a lot of the exasperation comes from the stance within the playerbase that there are a huge amount of features and systems within the EVE client that have not been touched for the past six or seven years, and are extremely out-of-date, whilst more superficial features such as ship designs and shaders get the full treatment with each expansion. EVE is gradually getting a DX11 facelift whilst some of its' core gameplay is very much outdated - that is what makes me uneasy about its' future.

The fun part about Apocrypha is that that expansion (always pointed as the best or one of the best EVE expansion ever) wasn't originated by direct input from playerbase. Nobody was asking for that kind of stuff, the release wasn't neither planed and came on a 3 months cycle base instead of the ususal 6 and was considerated a mini-expansion.


The crowdfounding scheme based on "let's see what they ask louder on the forum and fix it" is not itself bad, but cannot supply the lack of a solid game design.

The small fixes policy is cheap and good marketting-wise, but medium and long term game design (if they're interested in it) requires higher level analysys, point ov view and strategic approach. That's what actually CCP lack.

And requires some decent lead game designers.

I'm sure at the next fanfest Players will be asking alot of questions about the recent events then forewarding it to the community.