EVE New Citizens Q&A

Tags 4 Security

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Ratting / killing NPCs.

Keep in mind, the lower the sec status of th system, the higher the reward.
THAT is why people use nullsec for it. It has bigger rats

Enemy militia aren't the only hostiles out there. Shooting enemy militia doesn't hurt sec status but having to kill their neutral cyno alts and support fleets or just roaming neutral fleets which aren't engaged in FW does.

I mean I was in a fight 2 nights ago with a neutral fleet and I only killed a single drone before FC called a retreat and it cost me .2 sec status and a 15 minute suspect flag.

There are a LOT of pirates too but they're usually flagged red or yellow already, I'm not sure, but I don't think I've ever taken a sec hit from shooting at them.

This, though the tags can be expensive depending on where you buy them. The tags are instant, but require you to move them to a Concord station in lowsec (there may be some already there but expect to pay a ransom for them). Whereas killing npc pirate Battleships takes a bit longer, and usually requires an extended trip through npc 0.0 though not as bad as it used to now that the sec status gain timer is shorter.

I am fairly sure that running missions (or replace with your favorite ISK making activity) and buying tags is a more time-efficient way of getting sec back than ratting. At least if you're satisfied with being able to enter highsec, and don't necessarily need positive sec.

Things changed a lot in Odyssey.

There are four efficient ways to regain sec now. Pick one:


a) Tags for sec: Costs a lot of ISK, is instant.

b) Highsec level 4 security missions: This allows you to blow up one battleship rat per 5 minutes in near safety. Since the changes to sec status, there is no longer an opportunity cost for staying in the same system. This is accessible, mildly profitable, and reliable. Do not accept missions against other factions, they will give you nothing.

c) Lowsec level 5 security missions: As L4s, but some of the rats are better. Potentially very dangerous and requires very high corporation standings you may not have, as well as the ability to move fairly blinged ships through lowsec.

d) Highsec incursions: If you have a ship that fits these, they will get sec status back faster than L5s, but many PVP oriented characters don't train into ships large enough to be effective in incursions. I do not believe logistics pilots gain sec in incursions unless they assign drones to whore on rat kills. If you can fly a well tanked command ship, even with mediocre damage output, you will be able to run these and will be in demand.

It's looking like tags are going to be the only option. They're ridiculously expensive (the good ones that I can actually use anyway) at ~30 mil for .5 gain.



I can fly an assault frig (albeit poorly), that may be an option, but one of the things I read about that is the tags are stacked in reverse sec order so .3-.4 low sec = the tags that only work if you're like -8 to -10 etc, and the 30 mil tags are only in .1 and maybe .2. From what I've seen, it starts to be a problem at -2 and greater. I have considered moving to low sec but the shopping sucks badly and black frog isn't cheap either (I have no way to move stuff on my own safely). Galmil does have a shipping service but I've heard the turn around is 2 weeks.

At least there are a few choices, although none of them are particularly desirable from the standpoint of a newbie like me. Thanks all for the advice.

Create an alt (on the same account)?

It takes 1h 40m to train an Alt so that they can fly an industrial and fit it with some tank.
2d 6h if you want a cloak and a MWD to escape gate camps.

Only a bad camp will be beaten by the MWD/cloak trick. The good ones have an instalock Phobos with them, or smartbombs.

What are you hauling into lowsec, and do you have a 0.5 system with a station and a gate to lowsec you could use? Here's an alternative - place buy orders in the 0.5 station. IIRC faction police are too slow to catch anything bar an armor rigged, plated battleship in 0.5, and I'm assuming you are much more interested in getting things like AFs, HACs, EAFs, T3 cruisers, logistics cruisers and heavy interdictors into low (and getting deadspace modules and tags out) than you are in getting battleships or freighter loads of minerals in there.


Also, feel free to try lowsec level 3 security missions in your assault frigate and tell me what the sec gain is like. I know I could run most L4s in an Enyo if I wanted to (I have very high skills in the Enyo and Ishkur and know how to spiral in to large targets), and L3s are a lot easier than that.

A note on clone soldier tags - .3 and .4 seem to drop the **** tags that are worth nothing, .1 and .2 sec drop the good ones.