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Can we do something about the idiots in highsec already CCP?

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Anarkia Evangel
Red Sky Morning
The Amarr Militia.
#621 - 2013-11-15 15:03:50 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Anyone who wants to travel in safety. Also, since you noticed it being locked a lot while travelling, you're obviously sitting in front of the computer already, so cloaking to avoid those locks isn't asking much.
[-quote]
Yes. Chances are that they aren't all that many to begin with. Any station you visit with any regularity is worth the (minute) effort it takes to set up an insta — doubly so if it's in a recently well-populated system. Sure, if it's a particularly empty system, you probably won't since no-one is around to go after you, but even then, if you come there often enough…
[-quote]
He's being solution-oriented and pragmatic. None of what he said is particularly unrealistic — it just require the tiniest amount of planning and effort. So maybe that's your complaint? He's not actually lazy?

Okay the original point I was making was industrial ships are broke. Flying T1 in empire is a death trap, considering the lengths you have to go to to avoid trouble with a T2 industry makes my point well. And you are correct I don’t afk travel with my T2, or any industrial ship, that would be silly. And my complaint was he missed the point of my post.

Johnny Marzetti wrote:
[-quote]
This is why you all need to be exploded. This right here. Anyone who flies a blockade runner in null has literally hundreds of bookmarks, or will after a few losses. You are soft and squishy, you are fat on CONCORD's protection.

But that’s the thing, Null does not equal High sec. The rules and game mechanicals are different and need to be balanced with that in mind. So I’m guessing you are suggesting I need 100s of bookmarks to ‘safely’ fly around empire in a blockade runner, how many do I need to fly ‘safely’ travel around in a T1 industrial?

If I could I would use a JF or a carrier all the time, maybe a jump bridge? but you can’t in empire, you have to live by its rules, you have to use the trade routes, you can’t scan gates as you move or use a scout as there are 10s of people at gates, who friendly and who’s hostile there is no way of really knowing. It’s pretty easy to know in Null.
Chopper Rollins
hahahlolspycorp
#622 - 2013-11-15 23:20:04 UTC
Anarkia Evangel wrote:
... So I’m guessing you are suggesting I need 100s of bookmarks to ‘safely’ fly around empire in a blockade runner, how many do I need to fly ‘safely’ travel around in a T1 industrial?

... who friendly and who’s hostile there is no way of really knowing. It’s pretty easy to know in Null.



Nobody can fly safely anywhere...that mechanic is universal.
The second bit is kind of a null joke, when you go to empire space for some reason; "Aw hell empire gives me the fidgets, it's full of neuts, man."



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Subject 4927
DPS INC
Probably Up to No Good
#623 - 2013-11-16 02:45:22 UTC
No place is safe, that's the way it should be. Being AFK and expecting to not get your stuff blown up (when un docked) is ludacris.

Going AFK? Dock.

Problem.
Solved.

Or or or, tank your shiz.

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Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#624 - 2013-11-16 02:49:12 UTC
Subject 4927 wrote:
No place is safe, that's the way it should be. Being AFK and expecting to not get your stuff blown up (when un docked) is ludacris.

Going AFK? Dock.

Problem.
Solved.

Or or or, tank your ****.


People make billions without ever leaving stations. I'm suprise there isn't rage at market traders with people demanding they can force undock them from Jita 4-4.

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Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#625 - 2013-11-16 03:34:23 UTC
Captain Tardbar wrote:
Subject 4927 wrote:
No place is safe, that's the way it should be. Being AFK and expecting to not get your stuff blown up (when un docked) is ludacris.

Going AFK? Dock.

Problem.
Solved.

Or or or, tank your ****.


People make billions without ever leaving stations. I'm suprise there isn't rage at market traders with people demanding they can force undock them from Jita 4-4.


Those market traders are flying space ships and expecting to be safe. Those market traders are risking loss. Those market traders don't come to the forums and beg CCP for more "market EHP" because someone beat them. In other words, they are bing adults about it, so there is no reason to demand they do anything.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#626 - 2013-11-16 03:42:08 UTC
Quote:
Those market traders don't come to the forums and beg CCP for more "market EHP" because someone beat them.


Not entirely true there Jenn. I happen to recall at least 3 threadnaughts in a row earlier in the year, begging for Margin Trading to be removed from the game.

Your point still stands if you ask me, however. Mostly because any whining on the part of the "traders" playstyle can be chalked up to the kind of stupid people that are present in every playstyle, game, and group of players.

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Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#627 - 2013-11-16 04:21:41 UTC
Chopper Rollins wrote:
Anarkia Evangel wrote:
... So I’m guessing you are suggesting I need 100s of bookmarks to ‘safely’ fly around empire in a blockade runner, how many do I need to fly ‘safely’ travel around in a T1 industrial?

... who friendly and who’s hostile there is no way of really knowing. It’s pretty easy to know in Null.



Nobody can fly safely anywhere...that mechanic is universal.
The second bit is kind of a null joke, when you go to empire space for some reason; "Aw hell empire gives me the fidgets, it's full of neuts, man."




Wrong (again). Press F10, select cynosaural fields, first put on sunglasses. Don't even need to travel in null, POS to POS safety.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

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Subject 4927
DPS INC
Probably Up to No Good
#628 - 2013-11-16 04:42:05 UTC
Captain Tardbar wrote:
Subject 4927 wrote:
No place is safe, that's the way it should be. Being AFK and expecting to not get your stuff blown up (when un docked) is ludacris.

Going AFK? Dock.

Problem.
Solved.

Or or or, tank your ****.


People make billions without ever leaving stations. I'm suprise there isn't rage at market traders with people demanding they can force undock them from Jita 4-4.


Nobody cares about you market people.

It's the Miners and the other Bears who fly with no sense of danger on the otherside of the gate.
This needs to be changed.

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Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#629 - 2013-11-16 05:05:30 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:

Wrong (again). Press F10, select cynosaural fields, first put on sunglasses. Don't even need to travel in null, POS to POS safety.

confirming safe. do not scout.
Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#630 - 2013-11-16 05:11:52 UTC
Subject 4927 wrote:
Captain Tardbar wrote:
Subject 4927 wrote:
No place is safe, that's the way it should be. Being AFK and expecting to not get your stuff blown up (when un docked) is ludacris.

Going AFK? Dock.

Problem.
Solved.

Or or or, tank your ****.


People make billions without ever leaving stations. I'm suprise there isn't rage at market traders with people demanding they can force undock them from Jita 4-4.


Nobody cares about you market people.

It's the Miners and the other Bears who fly with no sense of danger on the otherside of the gate.
This needs to be changed.


Doesn't their hubris just make you rage?

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Chin MonWang
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#631 - 2013-11-16 05:31:39 UTC
[quote=Infinity Ziona]

Killing other players should require skill, it should require brains, it should require risk and it should require a war dec or going to low sec or null sec.

Infinity Ziona is talking real sense here. Especially the "risk taking" which I associate with intelligent entertainment(!!!!) seems seriously missing here...both in high-sec as in low-sec (zombies waiting there for hours & hours & hours after another...for looting some ship 5 vs 1...what kind of "intelligent mind-set does such dull/boring behaviour of gankers show us(??) , so, good comment Ziona

(lately I like reading the forums more than actually logging in and playing EVE...far more real entertaining action on the forums than in EVE itselfBig smile)

+1
Chin MonWang
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#632 - 2013-11-16 05:49:15 UTC
KnowUsByTheDead wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:


I'm not interested in that rubbish. EvE Online is supposed to be a complex game, kills should earned. If you want to roleplay some idiot roleplay then fine, but you should still EARN your kills. Low skill easy kills please **** off and go to play a FPS already.



Actually Ziona, let me lay some logic on you...

This is a sandbox game that is usually regarded as being "cold and harsh."

Now...

Which is more harsh?

A low skill, easy kill...

Or a fight fought heroically...

Hmmmm?

Or let me put it in plainly...

There is no bushido in space. Big smileTwistedRoll



...actually I was looking for the word "entertaining" in yr above comment, seems to be the missing word, regrettably. (maybe do not underestimate the word "entertainment" the way you seem to do, since entertainment is the core reason for almost all new players to come in and get enthousiastic (relates to video-games in general)

But then again, if players like you are a 100% satisfied just by "cold"+ "harsh" fullfillment alone...well, then I of course leave you yr opinion.

I could even suggest other "key words, such as "Suspense" (not knowing all beforehand = real SciFi)) & "bravery" (=real fighting-mentality going in for the real battles...even when out numbered) Blink

-1
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#633 - 2013-11-16 06:12:44 UTC
Anarkia Evangel wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Anyone who wants to travel in safety. Also, since you noticed it being locked a lot while travelling, you're obviously sitting in front of the computer already, so cloaking to avoid those locks isn't asking much.
[-quote]
Yes. Chances are that they aren't all that many to begin with. Any station you visit with any regularity is worth the (minute) effort it takes to set up an insta — doubly so if it's in a recently well-populated system. Sure, if it's a particularly empty system, you probably won't since no-one is around to go after you, but even then, if you come there often enough…
[-quote]
He's being solution-oriented and pragmatic. None of what he said is particularly unrealistic — it just require the tiniest amount of planning and effort. So maybe that's your complaint? He's not actually lazy?

Okay the original point I was making was industrial ships are broke. Flying T1 in empire is a death trap, considering the lengths you have to go to to avoid trouble with a T2 industry makes my point well. And you are correct I don’t afk travel with my T2, or any industrial ship, that would be silly. And my complaint was he missed the point of my post.

Johnny Marzetti wrote:
[-quote]
This is why you all need to be exploded. This right here. Anyone who flies a blockade runner in null has literally hundreds of bookmarks, or will after a few losses. You are soft and squishy, you are fat on CONCORD's protection.

But that’s the thing, Null does not equal High sec. The rules and game mechanicals are different and need to be balanced with that in mind. So I’m guessing you are suggesting I need 100s of bookmarks to ‘safely’ fly around empire in a blockade runner, how many do I need to fly ‘safely’ travel around in a T1 industrial?

If I could I would use a JF or a carrier all the time, maybe a jump bridge? but you can’t in empire, you have to live by its rules, you have to use the trade routes, you can’t scan gates as you move or use a scout as there are 10s of people at gates, who friendly and who’s hostile there is no way of really knowing. It’s pretty easy to know in Null.



T1 haulers are perfectly fine and you dont need hundreds of bookmarks in high sec as there are no bubbles in high sec. Yoh only need one bookmark in jita and hit cloak on your blocade runner.
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#634 - 2013-11-16 06:39:30 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Chopper Rollins wrote:
Anarkia Evangel wrote:
... So I’m guessing you are suggesting I need 100s of bookmarks to ‘safely’ fly around empire in a blockade runner, how many do I need to fly ‘safely’ travel around in a T1 industrial?

... who friendly and who’s hostile there is no way of really knowing. It’s pretty easy to know in Null.



Nobody can fly safely anywhere...that mechanic is universal.
The second bit is kind of a null joke, when you go to empire space for some reason; "Aw hell empire gives me the fidgets, it's full of neuts, man."




Wrong (again). Press F10, select cynosaural fields, first put on sunglasses. Don't even need to travel in null, POS to POS safety.


Someone has never flown a capital.

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Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#635 - 2013-11-16 06:51:05 UTC
Chin MonWang wrote:
KnowUsByTheDead wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:


I'm not interested in that rubbish. EvE Online is supposed to be a complex game, kills should earned. If you want to roleplay some idiot roleplay then fine, but you should still EARN your kills. Low skill easy kills please **** off and go to play a FPS already.



Actually Ziona, let me lay some logic on you...

This is a sandbox game that is usually regarded as being "cold and harsh."

Now...

Which is more harsh?

A low skill, easy kill...

Or a fight fought heroically...

Hmmmm?

Or let me put it in plainly...

There is no bushido in space. Big smileTwistedRoll



...actually I was looking for the word "entertaining" in yr above comment, seems to be the missing word, regrettably. (maybe do not underestimate the word "entertainment" the way you seem to do, since entertainment is the core reason for almost all new players to come in and get enthousiastic (relates to video-games in general)

But then again, if players like you are a 100% satisfied just by "cold"+ "harsh" fullfillment alone...well, then I of course leave you yr opinion.

I could even suggest other "key words, such as "Suspense" (not knowing all beforehand = real SciFi)) & "bravery" (=real fighting-mentality going in for the real battles...even when out numbered) Blink

-1



This. Suicide ganking can hardly be considered anything but boring these days. The low risk and certainty of the kill is about as exciting as ratting 0.9 belts. If that's not enough to dissuade me from doing it the sheer lameness of it is.

While I hate to call it PvP since it's really not given the victim generally is in a pod before he can react if you did it would be the least skillful PvP in EvE.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#636 - 2013-11-16 06:58:05 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Chin MonWang wrote:
KnowUsByTheDead wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:


I'm not interested in that rubbish. EvE Online is supposed to be a complex game, kills should earned. If you want to roleplay some idiot roleplay then fine, but you should still EARN your kills. Low skill easy kills please **** off and go to play a FPS already.



Actually Ziona, let me lay some logic on you...

This is a sandbox game that is usually regarded as being "cold and harsh."

Now...

Which is more harsh?

A low skill, easy kill...

Or a fight fought heroically...

Hmmmm?

Or let me put it in plainly...

There is no bushido in space. Big smileTwistedRoll



...actually I was looking for the word "entertaining" in yr above comment, seems to be the missing word, regrettably. (maybe do not underestimate the word "entertainment" the way you seem to do, since entertainment is the core reason for almost all new players to come in and get enthousiastic (relates to video-games in general)

But then again, if players like you are a 100% satisfied just by "cold"+ "harsh" fullfillment alone...well, then I of course leave you yr opinion.

I could even suggest other "key words, such as "Suspense" (not knowing all beforehand = real SciFi)) & "bravery" (=real fighting-mentality going in for the real battles...even when out numbered) Blink

-1



This. Suicide ganking can hardly be considered anything but boring these days. The low risk and certainty of the kill is about as exciting as ratting 0.9 belts. If that's not enough to dissuade me from doing it the sheer lameness of it is.

While I hate to call it PvP since it's really not given the victim generally is in a pod before he can react if you did it would be the least skillful PvP in EvE.


Its only as easy as the victim makes it.
Chopper Rollins
hahahlolspycorp
#637 - 2013-11-16 07:03:04 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Chopper Rollins wrote:
Anarkia Evangel wrote:
... So I’m guessing you are suggesting I need 100s of bookmarks to ‘safely’ fly around empire in a blockade runner, how many do I need to fly ‘safely’ travel around in a T1 industrial?

... who friendly and who’s hostile there is no way of really knowing. It’s pretty easy to know in Null.



Nobody can fly safely anywhere...that mechanic is universal.
The second bit is kind of a null joke, when you go to empire space for some reason; "Aw hell empire gives me the fidgets, it's full of neuts, man."




Wrong (again). Press F10, select cynosaural fields, first put on sunglasses. Don't even need to travel in null, POS to POS safety.


You got demoted to joke status with that "forced docking rights" lie, what the hell you doing in this thread?
I'm here for laughs or information, your sad masochism provides neither.


Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#638 - 2013-11-16 07:48:29 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
the victim generally is in a pod before he can react

If I'm suicide ganking miners, I don't use a point or a prop mod. How good do a miner's reflexes have to be to escape a catalyst slow boating towards them and aggressing them without a point? If they weren't AFK, they would align and warp as soon as they are yellow boxed. Most of them aren't paying attention though, and then they deserve to be ganked. You can also get some funny reactions when you put a bounty on them and add them to your watchlist.

Oh god.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#639 - 2013-11-16 08:50:31 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Quote:
Those market traders don't come to the forums and beg CCP for more "market EHP" because someone beat them.


Not entirely true there Jenn. I happen to recall at least 3 threadnaughts in a row earlier in the year, begging for Margin Trading to be removed from the game.



Margin trading scam only gets very young traders.

Don't mix them with the veteran ones, who play PvP (in the markets) every day, with no clone, no insurance but with kill mails Pirate (those enraged mails you get from others you just butchered in a market Twisted)

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flakeys
Doomheim
#640 - 2013-11-16 08:57:47 UTC  |  Edited by: flakeys
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Quote:
Those market traders don't come to the forums and beg CCP for more "market EHP" because someone beat them.


Not entirely true there Jenn. I happen to recall at least 3 threadnaughts in a row earlier in the year, begging for Margin Trading to be removed from the game.

Your point still stands if you ask me, however. Mostly because any whining on the part of the "traders" playstyle can be chalked up to the kind of stupid people that are present in every playstyle, game, and group of players.



It's not the market traders that begged for margin trading to be removed , it's a damn good skill for them , it's the guys who fall to margin trading scams that ask for it's removal.

Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Quote:
Those market traders don't come to the forums and beg CCP for more "market EHP" because someone beat them.


Not entirely true there Jenn. I happen to recall at least 3 threadnaughts in a row earlier in the year, begging for Margin Trading to be removed from the game.



Margin trading scam only gets very young traders.
Don't mix them with the veteran ones, who play PvP (in the markets) every day, with no clone, no insurance but with kill mails Pirate (those enraged mails you get from others you just butchered in a market Twisted)



Most of the times it's not even young traders , it's people who have totally no understanding of the markets or how to read the history graphs and think 'hey there's an easy way to make billions ' without even finding it odd that the trade hubs are filled to the roof with traders 23/7 grinding 0.01 iskies yet none of those traders spotted the 'easy B to be made' .

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.