Warfare & Tactics

Part of my problem with eve pvp is how fast its over. Its hard to learn from a fight that lasts 10 seconds. Most frig nd destroyer fights last 10 seconds. For the logistics needed to set up a pvp ship and find a fight all that setup for such a fast fight seems silly to me. I'd like it if fights lasted longer

I dont profess to being the best PvP'er (read as average to shocking) but I have the following points for you.

(1) If you fly brawling ships, warp in, tackle and wait too see who dies first then it will be over realtively quickly (assuming you are flying frigs/dessie)

(2) You may want to look at something that is able to dictate range, usuallly these kiting ships deal less damage but also receive less incoming damage. This can lead to some interesting fights that take a little longer than 10secs. Of course this doesnt mean you will never die in a fire again.

(3) There is always the option of going up a ship class but I dont recommend that as a way to go.

(4) Take a look at some active tanked ships, there is loads of info/fits out there.

Most frig fights are over before the first shot if fired. It is mostly about how the fight is set up.

Are you warping into a plex in a brawler where you oppenting is sitting is a probably kite fit ship? Then a good chance you are gonna die.

Are you sitting on the beacon of a plex with a probably kitey on short range with your scram OH and ready to tackle? Then you are probably gonna murder them.

Are you in a fast warping scram brawler in null bouncing between various celestials trying to get that pesky inty to land on you? If you get within scram range you will kill them quickly. If not they will point you and their friends will come and stomp you down.

Are you fighting a guy you have fought a hundred times over and know he like rail incursus? Grab a TD slasher and get up close and personal while TD'ing him. Funny how long rnage weapons can't track at close quarters.


What I'm pointing out is that the 'actual' fight is over very quickly because either of you have an advantage (because of fight prep or luck) and the actual fight is often a predetermined outcome. The skill of frig combat is in the prep, knowing your and your enemies likely capabilities, sitrep and how to adapt/influence those variable to produce the best outcome. Actually going in a killing your opponent should be a quick affair if you have done all the above correctly.

Having said that there will always be times when you get into a fight realise that you should be murdered then pull off a surprising victory. Usually it is because there was something overlooked or a mistake was made by either party. This is player v player afterall not ship v ship.

I spent half an hour trying to kill a dual rep Incursus in my Heron.

Didn't feel too fast to me =<

No. Less time for the ganksquad/blob to come and ruin perfectly good fights. If anything fights take too long nowadays compared to when I started.

Opposite to my view, for a couple of reasons:

1. The fast pace of Frig/Dessie means you have to think and act quickly. In my experience, this pays off later when you are in a cruiser or battleship and the fights last longer.

2. Knowing that the fight will be short and intense forces, me at least, to ensure I have a clear understanding of the main doctrine of my ship from the fit I'm using. It's also forced me to understand how other ships are likely to be setup and develop a mental battleplan before I get into a fight so I have a basic approach worked out up front. Fighting to the strengths of my setup has helped me not only win fights, but also extract myself when things have gone bad. I find as I'm getting better at fighting, I can last longer and draw a fight out longer too.

So in my view, while it would sometimes be good to have longer fights, I find these 2 advantages of frig/dessie pvp to far outway the inconvenience of being killed in about a 10th of the time it took me to puy and fit a ship up.

I actually do. Cruisers are cheap and they're pretty damn balanced. Plus the fights last long enough for you to identify your mistakes and try and compensate for them there and then. When I first got into PVP it was in frigs as I followed the standard 'buy every Incursus in Jita and suicide them all, when you're done you'll be leet' advice. Didn't enjoy it one bit. Tried cruiser PVP, still lost epically, but enjoyed it much more as the battles last longer and you can see your mistakes as you make them. When I had a slightly better (still terribad) grasp of the fundamentals I went back to frigates and enjoyed them much more then when I first flew them.

Slower?
I guess you never experienced Tidi!

PvP engagements happen at different rates depending on what your engaging, what your flying, etc....

Frig combat is usually 10-30s, although I've had much longer frig fights (soloing a Raven with a rifter, soloing a drake with a taranis, soloing an ASB hawk with a helios, etc)

Experience will let you estimate how long it'll take to kill a certain target, and that's part of the "should I engage" meta.

For starter.. Try not clicking approach. TRy keeping range from your enemy until you can act correctly.

The approach and fire all guns approach only work for gallente.

That alone should double the time of your combat.