These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

Missions & Complexes

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
 

Level 2 caldari general mission help

Author
Nicholas Lafisques
Dark Matters Retail and Distribution
#1 - 2013-11-13 18:42:51 UTC
I had just bought a vexor and had it fitted to armor tank with 3 autocannons and a drone link aug.
Just started running level 2 missions and was having a hell of a time. some of them were relatively easy but i came to one where i just didnt stand a chance(so it seemed, i admit i have only been playing the game a couple of weeks so i cant guarantee my piloting skills are up to par)

I prolly only have half a weeks worth of skills into combat related skills, but everywhere i look i seemto be told that it should be very little problem

wondering if i should stick to artillery to stay away more
if i simply need to be trained more in certain skills
and whether or not i have the right general approach (gallente vs other races or maybe just vexor vs. thorax)
Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2013-11-13 18:45:29 UTC
Buy caracal. Fit rapid launchers. Kill everything.

Also write out your failfit.

Life is short and dinner time is chancy

Eat dessert first!

Nicholas Lafisques
Dark Matters Retail and Distribution
#3 - 2013-11-13 18:51:25 UTC
Caleidascope wrote:
Buy caracal. Fit rapid launchers. Kill everything.

Also write out your failfit.


haha just pointing out that that could be the problem

and why is it that a caracal is that much better?

The only thing i really plan on doing is mission running if that helps narrow it down
Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2013-11-13 19:05:29 UTC
Nicholas Lafisques wrote:
Caleidascope wrote:
Buy caracal. Fit rapid launchers. Kill everything.

Also write out your failfit.


haha just pointing out that that could be the problem

and why is it that a caracal is that much better?

The only thing i really plan on doing is mission running if that helps narrow it down

I see several problems.

In no particular order:
1) It seems you jumped into cruiser and l2 missions early, I can not say how early.
2) You don't seem to have a clue about fighting styles, snipers vs knife fighters.
3) You don't say which mission gave you trouble.
4) You don't say what kind of experience you had with l1 missions.
5) Hexor has hybrids and drone bonuses. You fit ac on it, which gets no ship bonus. That is stupid.
Now you are asking about fitting arti, which also gets not ship bonus. More stupid on your part.
6) Bottom line. You are being vague and I am not interested in playing Game of 100 and 1 Questions.

Good luck.

Life is short and dinner time is chancy

Eat dessert first!

Termy Rockling
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2013-11-13 19:14:32 UTC
Mission of Mercy or Recon? Smile
Vexor is great ship, any attack/combatcruiser should have no problems in L2s.
Fitting makes or breaks ships so i hope you know the basics.
Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2013-11-13 19:15:11 UTC
Nicholas Lafisques wrote:
I had just bought a vexor and had it fitted to armor tank with 3 autocannons and a drone link aug.


There's two problems right away. Vexor bonuses don't match the guns you put on it, and you don't want to be sending light, med or heavy drones far enough away that a drone link aug is necessary, they'll get eaten by the rats.

If that was Mission of Mercy, it's harder than almost any other L2 mission and harder than some L3s
Nicholas Lafisques
Dark Matters Retail and Distribution
#7 - 2013-11-13 19:21:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicholas Lafisques
Caleidascope wrote:
Nicholas Lafisques wrote:
Caleidascope wrote:
Buy caracal. Fit rapid launchers. Kill everything.

Also write out your failfit.


haha just pointing out that that could be the problem

and why is it that a caracal is that much better?

The only thing i really plan on doing is mission running if that helps narrow it down

I see several problems.

In no particular order:
1) It seems you jumped into cruiser and l2 missions early, I can not say how early.
2) You don't seem to have a clue about fighting styles, snipers vs knife fighters.
3) You don't say which mission gave you trouble.
4) You don't say what kind of experience you had with l1 missions.
5) Hexor has hybrids and drone bonuses. You fit ac on it, which gets no ship bonus. That is stupid.
Now you are asking about fitting arti, which also gets not ship bonus. More stupid on your part.
6) Bottom line. You are being vague and I am not interested in playing Game of 100 and 1 Questions.

Good luck.


welp, if someone else can help ill attemp to ask the right questions

1. i thought so, just seemed that everywhere i looked i didnt see any mention of the lack of skills being too big of a problem
2. i do to the extent one would without having played this game more than a couple weeks, of which ive only run mission the last couple days
3. didnt think a specific mission mattered. was something called the blockade objectives
4. had no problem with the l1 missions... ran them in an algos with garbage skills
5. didnt want to have to get into another skill path as i was under the impression autocannons were a good weapon type to shoot for towards the end, didnt think the 10 or 15% bonus i would get from it would make that much of a difference.
suggesting the artillery was based on what little i know about sniper vs knife fights and the fact that i didnt want to have to train hybrid turrets (trying to get as high up as i can asap, so i didnt want to have to spend too many skill points into something i didnt plan on using more than temporarily)
6. im being vague because i do not know the questions i should ask, and when i think i know what to ask it all too often leads to an answer like u wrote in #5
Termy Rockling
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2013-11-13 20:05:44 UTC
In Blockade when you kill specific "trigger"ships you spawn more enemies, that often means that your tank cannot hold the additional damage and you start to have problems.
EVE Survival is a web page where you can check the tricks of doing missions with least amount of pain.
Nicholas Lafisques
Dark Matters Retail and Distribution
#9 - 2013-11-13 20:29:33 UTC
Termy Rockling wrote:
In Blockade when you kill specific "trigger"ships you spawn more enemies, that often means that your tank cannot hold the additional damage and you start to have problems.
EVE Survival is a web page where you can check the tricks of doing missions with least amount of pain.



awesome! thank you
that really helps
Storm Airkian
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-11-13 20:44:03 UTC

I would strongly recommend for switching to Caldari if u intend to remain in High Sec for mission isk making as, missiles are usually much more foolproof, can switch to best damage type, and also Shield tank provides advantage in PvE as its inheritally slightly stronger + u have low slots free for dps mods..

Hence Caracal * Drake (nerfed atm) * Raven Eventually Caldari Navy Raven ( Most Reliable Lvl mission Runner imo) Also u get to use Tengu which is arguably the best PvE ship in entire EVE where Combat Sites are concerned.


The problem about Caldari is they are moslty useless in PvP, and will need Minmatar (Winmatar) as most alliances use their doctrines besides Gallente Drone Boats..
Robert Morningstar
Morningstar Excavations LTD
Business Alliance of Manufacturers and Miners
#11 - 2013-11-13 20:46:54 UTC
Recon is far harder than the mission should be if you attempt to kill everything and far easier if you blitz. if you get recon you want to for the first 2 parts go in a shuttle and and just get the gates as fast as you can and go through/get out then turn in
Termy Rockling
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2013-11-13 20:57:50 UTC
Missiles are NOT needed for hisec missioning, i really dont get why ppl still insist on missiles for PvE.
They arent better, they are just different, some cases better, some cases worse.
Also most ships can be either armor or shield tanked, no need to use cookiecutter fits.
Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2013-11-13 21:12:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Caleidascope
Termy Rockling wrote:
Missiles are NOT needed for hisec missioning, i really dont get why ppl still insist on missiles for PvE.
They arent better, they are just different, some cases better, some cases worse.
Also most ships can be either armor or shield tanked, no need to use cookiecutter fits.

They are not better. They are EASIER.

No need to watch tracking.
No need to watch optimal and falloff.
No need to watch drones for damage.

Fire and forget. Easy.

Life is short and dinner time is chancy

Eat dessert first!

Marcus Walkuris
Aww yeahhh
#14 - 2013-11-13 22:50:56 UTC
The reason people say caracal is because it is the 'all round' best cruiser in it's class, I would forget about it if I were you.
That said do NOT go into missiles past light missiles unless you are interested in a Tengu which suits needs that you are not even close to ready for and should forget about *Jedi hand wave "You will forget about Tengus".
I am not saying caldari boats suck, but they are hugely overrated and do not perform in PvE like gunnery ships do.
IF you can take that on faith great, if not explanation you wouldn't understand yet ensues.
In any case you fly a vexor, learn about resistances and tanking damage types.
You learn to use your fits to instantly swap between shield and armor fits depending onthe enemies you face and the damage they will deal.
Once you have drone interfacing to 4-5 and most of your drone skills to 4 your problems should fade.
Here is the first link off of battleclinic, look at those modules and find out what you ned to train for them and you get a good idea what you need. http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/67186-Vexor-574-Dps-Cap-on-Drones.html
You kite or in other words keep at range you npc cruisers and just destroy frigates with light drones.
Take your time getting to know the modules and npc damage.
Mark Fjord
Gradient
Electus Matari
#15 - 2013-11-14 01:43:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Mark Fjord
My RLML Caracal has served me well. Look at EVE university for a budget PvE fit that should work well for level 2 missions.

With time and skill you can work up to a tech 2 variant of the modules and take on tougher missions. I can solo most level 3 missions with ease and can gang up with a Raven to blitz through level 4 missions.

I even use the Caracal in small PvP gangs. RLML Caracal can tear up a (battle)cruiser with some T2 ammo.
http://www.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=20118108
Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
#16 - 2013-11-14 02:53:07 UTC
Vexor can work great on L2's.

First you want every related skill you can get to L3.
This takes a day or two.
Don't go crazy just get all the cheap skills you can.

Fit for drone dps!

You care about only a few things on the vexor for new players.

Basic drone skills all L3 and you will want drones level 5.

Make sure to fit an afterburner.

Don't be scared of using sentries and just orbiting them with AB on.

You can even use the high slots for salvager/beams if you want to wait on training gun skills.
All you need is one gun to grab the mobs attention before letting the drones loose.

Use Meta 4 items when possible if you can't T2 them.
Don't be cheap always go for meta 3 if nothing better due to price or lack of supply restrictions.
(( Rare exceptions to this rule but those you will know when you see them. ))

If you do pay the bucks for something that is faction make it the armor repair!

Look up fits or mail me in game if you need more exact help.