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CCP is Reversing Corp Thefts (for DUST)

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Crasniya
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-11-12 22:58:20 UTC
Worth noting. They're breaking the sandbox, and reversing legal game actions taken by EVE players using legal game mechanics:

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=120917

Quote:
In order to address some concerns within the community regarding DUST characters and their limited ability to manage corporations when compared to EVE characters, we have updated our evelopedia articles to reflect the current mechanics for corporate shares and voting.


Issues
The specific mechanics regarding corporation shares and voting for DUST characters were not published via persistent wiki or blog, and although we did convey information on some of these corporate mechanics during the beta period, this information did not persist onto the new forums, nor was it readily available in game. This inevitably lead to incidents whereby DUST CEO's could find themselves in a position where they are unable to take part in votes for their corporation, to the point where they may even lose their corp via vote when a shareholder decided to replace them.

Policies
Under normal circumstances CCP customer support are unable to intervene in corporate power struggles and other trust/scam related game mechanics, as we have found that it is the best interests of both our players and CCP that we let our players decide the outcome of every event within normal game mechanics. However in this instance we have determined that DUST players were placed at a considerable disadvantage by being unable to fully access corporate management tools while also lacking the information on these complex game mechanics.

To this end we have determined that the best course of action is to publish these mechanics on our wiki along with this forum announcement in order to educate players as to the game mechanics involved so that they may protect themselves accordingly.

For issues that occurred before this announcement, we are also willing to review player reports on a case by case basis for those who have been subject to involuntary corporate takeovers or other related issues, and where possible customer support will attempt to assist players with regaining access to their corporations and managing issues with shares. This issue was not considered to be an exploit and as such while we may be forced to intervene in a number of cases we do not plan to take punitive action against those who follow GM instruction. Furthermore we can only offer limited assistance for issues regarding shares and we will be unable to assist with issues arising from the corp theft of ISK/assets by individuals who were granted access via normal game play that did not involve the abuse of shares.

To contact customer support simply click here.


Wikis!
Below we have added some warnings to existing evelopedia articles in order to help clarify the mechanics involved.

https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Player_Corporation
"'Warning: DUST Character Role Limitations
At this time DUST characters are limited in their ability to manage corporate functions. As such in order to access full corporate functionality it may be required to utilise an EVE character in a director or CEO role. See Shares & Votes for more information."

https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Shares
"Warning: 'DUST Character Share Limitations
At this time DUST characters are unable to participate in share management or the voting system nor can they assign or be assigned shares. Therefore in order to protect corporations created by a DUST character all corporate shares will be assigned to the DUST character by default, should the CEO title be transferred between DUST characters then the shares will also be transferred. However should an EVE character be placed in the CEO position the shares formerly owned by the DUST CEO will be placed into the corporate wallet, at which point that can be or accessed by those with the roles to do so. It should also be noted that a DUST character taking over a corporation from an EVE character will no longer have corp shares automatically assigned to them and may be vulnerable to having directors accessing unassigned corporate shares. See [[Votes]] for more information}"

https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Votes
"Warning: 'DUST Character Voting Limitations
At this time DUST characters are limited in their ability to manage corporate functions. As such in order to access full corporate functionality it may be required to utilise an EVE character in a director or CEO role. Therefore it is important to consider that a DUST character assigned to be CEO of a corporation where shares have been issued to EVE characters cannot participate in voting, should EVE shareholders propose a vote. See Shares for more information.

Soraya Xel - Council of Planetary Management 1 - soraya@biomassed.net

Crasniya
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2013-11-12 23:00:02 UTC
My particular peeve is that CCP Nullarbor has defended CCP's failure to prioritize a DUST-side alliance interface for joining alliances. Forcing DUST alliances to rely on promoting EVE characters to their corp's CEO spot, opening up this particular exploit. It's been deemed not a high priority. And rather than fix the sandbox tools, CCP would rather step into the sandbox and start kicking stuff around.

Soraya Xel - Council of Planetary Management 1 - soraya@biomassed.net

General Nusense
Doomheim
#3 - 2013-11-12 23:12:05 UTC
instead of crying about it here in the EVE forums why not go to the DUST forums. I am sure most of us dont really care about a dead fps on the ps3.

Made a signature so I am taken seriously on the forums, since thats the only thing they are good for.

Cheng Musana
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2013-11-12 23:15:38 UTC
Its not a legit eve mechanic cause dust players cant vote at the moment. Which makes it so that if you are a director and eve player on a dust corp the corp basically is yours. So where is the so called "sandbox" if its just abusing a broken mechanic?
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#5 - 2013-11-13 00:11:15 UTC
--------->Dust 514 forums.

There's enough crap shitting up GD as is.
Landrae
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2013-11-13 02:34:21 UTC
General Nusense wrote:
Instead of crying about it here in the EVE forums why not go to the DUST forums. I am sure most of us dont really care about a dead fps on the ps3.


This.


Jim Era
#7 - 2013-11-13 02:56:11 UTC
hey look, is that a sig I see

Watâ„¢

Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#8 - 2013-11-13 03:20:16 UTC
You got DUST in my GD.




Also, I think reversals, rollbacks, reimbursements and scandals are so commonplace now, its just not news anymore.

If we had a week without CCP doing something that made someone mad...THAT would be newsworthy.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

Xavier Higdon
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-11-13 03:43:05 UTC
The quote you cited specifically states that thefts will not be reversed, the only thing they are addressing is the inability to properly manage a corp from Dust 514. Are you honestly arguing that broken game mechanics are apart of the "sandbox" and must therefore be left to be abused?
Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
#10 - 2013-11-13 05:19:12 UTC
Xavier Higdon wrote:
The quote you cited specifically states that thefts will not be reversed, the only thing they are addressing is the inability to properly manage a corp from Dust 514. Are you honestly arguing that broken game mechanics are apart of the "sandbox" and must therefore be left to be abused?


Not empty quoting.
Tul Breetai
Impromptu Asset Requisition
#11 - 2013-11-13 06:44:11 UTC
Cheng Musana wrote:
Its not a legit eve mechanic cause dust players cant vote at the moment. Which makes it so that if you are a director and eve player on a dust corp the corp basically is yours. So where is the so called "sandbox" if its just abusing a broken mechanic?

QFT

There's nothing worse than an EVE player, generally considered to be top of the food chain in the MMO world, that cannot smacktalk with wit and coherency.

Crasniya
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2013-11-13 07:30:13 UTC
General Nusense wrote:
instead of crying about it here in the EVE forums why not go to the DUST forums. I am sure most of us dont really care about a dead fps on the ps3.


It's rather noteworthy that an EVE character's legitimate action gets reversed by CCP, regardless of which side of the game's forums it gets posted on.

Xavier Higdon wrote:
The quote you cited specifically states that thefts will not be reversed, the only thing they are addressing is the inability to properly manage a corp from Dust 514. Are you honestly arguing that broken game mechanics are apart of the "sandbox" and must therefore be left to be abused?


I'd rather CCP bother fixing the integration so it's balanced and fair, rather than start breaking the EVE sandbox. And it does break the EVE sandbox. Regardless of whether the corp was created by a DUSTie or not, it affects the EVE character who did it, and any EVE characters in that corp.

Soraya Xel - Council of Planetary Management 1 - soraya@biomassed.net