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Miner Griefing: A few thoughts
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#41 - 2013-11-12 23:57:49 UTC
Electrique Wizard wrote:
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
make asteroids destroyable

Make this happen

I remember when they were on SiSi; I think it was just before Inferno. Of course, everything else was too, which resulted in stargates getting destroyed.
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#42 - 2013-11-13 00:20:44 UTC
I'd even like to see star gates destroyable. Can you imagine cutting off access to a system completely so that the only way in or out are alternative methods like wormholes or preexisting cyno ships etc.

Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...
Aedh Phelan
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2013-11-13 01:08:57 UTC
Miners griefing miners by mining. Interesting. I assume you will be jet-canning the ore and using drones to blow them up? Blink
Dr0000 Maulerant
Union Nanide and Tooling
#44 - 2013-11-13 01:17:10 UTC
Meilandra Vanderganken wrote:

What surprises me most is that the average ignorant, ill-equipped miner is hell bent on believing that they can't do anything about getting ganked/griefed.

I blow them up all the time and link them a guide on how to tank and pilot to avoid getting ganked. Most will simply deny that they can do anything about it and continue whining and **** fitting their barges and sitting on the warp in spot in belts and ice fields stationary...


Because it's true. Your "lesson" is only the limit imposed by your laziness and what skills you have trained. Saying "dont fit this and you wont get ganked" or "fit these things and you wont get ganked" is an absolute lie.

I don't understand the obsession gankers have with shifting responsibility onto their victims, if you are a ganker you are the bad guy, just frickin own it already.


Tell me again about how every playstyle you dont engage in "doesn't require any effort" and everyone who does it needs to die in a fire. Be sure to mention about how you tried it once but it was too easy/boring/ethnic-homophobic slur. 
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#45 - 2013-11-13 01:48:11 UTC
Dr0000 Maulerant wrote:
Meilandra Vanderganken wrote:

What surprises me most is that the average ignorant, ill-equipped miner is hell bent on believing that they can't do anything about getting ganked/griefed.

I blow them up all the time and link them a guide on how to tank and pilot to avoid getting ganked. Most will simply deny that they can do anything about it and continue whining and **** fitting their barges and sitting on the warp in spot in belts and ice fields stationary...


Because it's true. Your "lesson" is only the limit imposed by your laziness and what skills you have trained. Saying "dont fit this and you wont get ganked" or "fit these things and you wont get ganked" is an absolute lie.

I don't understand the obsession gankers have with shifting responsibility onto their victims, if you are a ganker you are the bad guy, just frickin own it already.




Oh, believe me, I do own the whole "bad guy" thing. Bad Company, and I can't deny.

But it is almost 100% their own fault if they get ganked. There are some things to do, easy things, that reduce the chance of you randomly (randomly is the key here) getting ganked.

Most ganks are attacks of opportunity at weak and/or profitable targets. Don't be both of those things, and you would be damned surprised at the degree to which you get overlooked.

Now, granted, if someone wants you dead for a meta reason, a reason beyond just profit, they will do so. Whether you make yourself a "hard target" or not. There really isn't a solution to a determined group of multiple people, aside from telling you that the nail that stands up gets pounded down.

So, to close, I would say that I don't really understand the obsession with the perennial victims shifting responsibility for their own self defense away from themselves.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Aurelius Valentius
Valentius Corporation
Valentius Corporation Alliance
#46 - 2013-11-13 02:15:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Aurelius Valentius
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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#47 - 2013-11-13 05:28:11 UTC
If you have enough pilots to do that, you have enough pilots to smartbomb every belt in the game.

I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com
Smohq Anmirorz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#48 - 2013-11-13 06:55:18 UTC
Your miner griefing sounds like minor griefing.
Meilandra Vanderganken
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2013-11-13 11:17:56 UTC
Dr0000 Maulerant wrote:
Meilandra Vanderganken wrote:

What surprises me most is that the average ignorant, ill-equipped miner is hell bent on believing that they can't do anything about getting ganked/griefed.

I blow them up all the time and link them a guide on how to tank and pilot to avoid getting ganked. Most will simply deny that they can do anything about it and continue whining and **** fitting their barges and sitting on the warp in spot in belts and ice fields stationary...


Because it's true. Your "lesson" is only the limit imposed by your laziness and what skills you have trained. Saying "dont fit this and you wont get ganked" or "fit these things and you wont get ganked" is an absolute lie.

I don't understand the obsession gankers have with shifting responsibility onto their victims, if you are a ganker you are the bad guy, just frickin own it already.



And here is one now....

I'm not claiming you can be unkillable, you can't be in EVE. What you can do however is increase your chance of survival by a huge ammount in general and an even way bigger ammount when you are a high sec dweller.

If every single miner would follow the guide I link them I would be done with solo ganking. You'd need whole fleets of catalysts to gank anyone then. Which requires more effort/time/isk/training/buddies/accounts, which results in less total ganks since those resources are finite, which translates into the galaxy being a safer place.
Jythier Smith
BGG Wolves
#50 - 2013-11-13 14:14:06 UTC
Link to guide, please? :)
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#51 - 2013-11-13 14:25:24 UTC
Jythier Smith wrote:
Link to guide, please? :)


buy a procurer

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Meilandra Vanderganken
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#52 - 2013-11-13 14:28:01 UTC
Jythier Smith wrote:
Link to guide, please? :)


http://greedygoblin.blogspot.nl/p/why-was-i-ganked.html

It's not mine btw so any gripes you have about it's content, I'm not responsible :P .

I for one am not too happy about the sentence:" Keep reading and the gank that sent you here was the last one!", since you can never be unkillable in EVE unless you're docked up. Other than that, it all makes perfect sense and from what I've experienced the numbers are more or less correct.

Anyone following it's content to the letter should deffo stop being an easy low hanging fruit gank target.
Meilandra Vanderganken
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2013-11-13 14:36:25 UTC
dexington wrote:
Jythier Smith wrote:
Link to guide, please? :)


buy a procurer

You have to be more specific or they WILL find ways to anti-tank that thing so hard that it would become an easy target still Lol

"What do I need structure for? Structure is not tank! *fits cargo rigs and extenders*".
Dr0000 Maulerant
Union Nanide and Tooling
#54 - 2013-11-13 18:30:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Dr0000 Maulerant
Meilandra Vanderganken wrote:


And here is one now....

I'm not claiming you can be unkillable, you can't be in EVE. What you can do however is increase your chance of survival by a huge ammount in general and an even way bigger ammount when you are a high sec dweller.

If every single miner would follow the guide I link them I would be done with solo ganking. You'd need whole fleets of catalysts to gank anyone then. Which requires more effort/time/isk/training/buddies/accounts, which results in less total ganks since those resources are finite, which translates into the galaxy being a safer place.


tl;dr if the extra MLU's arent covering your losses and then some, you may be mining wrong.

The tankiest hulk in .5 can be killed with two skilled people. Not exactly a whole fleet, but hey. Statistically speaking, with the current ratio of gankers to miners it's still smarter to yield-fit and stay alone on grid. Unless you are being hunted purposefully, in which case no tank will save you.

If you think the crap you are spouting is a lesson, you either suck at mining or numbers.

Every day with you people it's "this was totally your fault". Just OWN IT, you wanted the ore and/or the killmail so you took it. You are not a teacher, you are not handing out valuable lessons. You are a thief. If you can't handle that you shouldn't be doing it.

Tell me again about how every playstyle you dont engage in "doesn't require any effort" and everyone who does it needs to die in a fire. Be sure to mention about how you tried it once but it was too easy/boring/ethnic-homophobic slur. 
Himnos Altar
An Errant Venture
#55 - 2013-11-14 04:56:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Himnos Altar
Dr0000 Maulerant wrote:
Meilandra Vanderganken wrote:


And here is one now....

I'm not claiming you can be unkillable, you can't be in EVE. What you can do however is increase your chance of survival by a huge ammount in general and an even way bigger ammount when you are a high sec dweller.

If every single miner would follow the guide I link them I would be done with solo ganking. You'd need whole fleets of catalysts to gank anyone then. Which requires more effort/time/isk/training/buddies/accounts, which results in less total ganks since those resources are finite, which translates into the galaxy being a safer place.


tl;dr if the extra MLU's arent covering your losses and then some, you may be mining wrong.

The tankiest hulk in .5 can be killed with two skilled people. Not exactly a whole fleet, but hey. Statistically speaking, with the current ratio of gankers to miners it's still smarter to yield-fit and stay alone on grid. Unless you are being hunted purposefully, in which case no tank will save you.

If you think the crap you are spouting is a lesson, you either suck at mining or numbers.

Every day with you people it's "this was totally your fault". Just OWN IT, you wanted the ore and/or the killmail so you took it. You are not a teacher, you are not handing out valuable lessons. You are a thief. If you can't handle that you shouldn't be doing it.



And this is EVE, and there's nothing wrong with being a thief in EVE.

EVE has the worst damn community ever.

It also has the best damn community ever.

If you're only seeing one of these, you're doing something wrong.

On the other hand, if you don't learn from your losses, you are also doing something wrong.

Every sense of PVP, whether it's ship v ship, miner v miner, market v market, **** chat v shitchat should be a learning experience.

Every player in EVE is a teacher to every other player in EVE
Cavalira
Habemus
#56 - 2013-11-14 10:42:30 UTC
...or you could align your barge, so whenever catalysts appear on short scan, you can warp away.
Electrique Wizard
Mutually Lucrative Business Proposals
#57 - 2013-11-14 10:53:25 UTC
Cavalira wrote:
...or you could align your barge, so whenever catalysts appear on short scan, you can warp away.

But how can they warp when they're watching a movie Ugh

I am the Zodiac, I am the stars, You are the sorceress, my priestess of Mars, Queen of the night, swathed in satin black, Your ivory flesh upon my torture rack.
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#58 - 2013-11-14 11:06:00 UTC
Cavalira wrote:
...or you could align your barge, so whenever catalysts appear on short scan, you can warp away.


you are always aligned with zero velocity.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Skeln Thargensen
Doomheim
#59 - 2013-11-14 11:21:02 UTC
you guys should try mining attentively.

forums.  serious business.
Meilandra Vanderganken
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#60 - 2013-11-15 11:56:31 UTC
Dr0000 Maulerant wrote:
Meilandra Vanderganken wrote:


And here is one now....

I'm not claiming you can be unkillable, you can't be in EVE. What you can do however is increase your chance of survival by a huge ammount in general and an even way bigger ammount when you are a high sec dweller.

If every single miner would follow the guide I link them I would be done with solo ganking. You'd need whole fleets of catalysts to gank anyone then. Which requires more effort/time/isk/training/buddies/accounts, which results in less total ganks since those resources are finite, which translates into the galaxy being a safer place.


tl;dr if the extra MLU's arent covering your losses and then some, you may be mining wrong.

The tankiest hulk in .5 can be killed with two skilled people. Not exactly a whole fleet, but hey. Statistically speaking, with the current ratio of gankers to miners it's still smarter to yield-fit and stay alone on grid. Unless you are being hunted purposefully, in which case no tank will save you.

If you think the crap you are spouting is a lesson, you either suck at mining or numbers.

Flying a tanked Hulk in 0.5 is not 'following the guide'. In fact the guide litteraly says you should not fly any Hulk in High Sec....

The guide is not about maximizing yield either, it's about reducing your chance to get ganked. If anyone decides to go for a yield ship/fit and take their chances they're again not 'following the guide'.

And my point was: if EVERYONE followed the guide, my solo ganking days would be over. And that still stands, you're not providing any arguments against that by picking examples that do the opposite of what the guide says. Lol


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Every day with you people it's "this was totally your fault". Just OWN IT, you wanted the ore and/or the killmail so you took it. You are not a teacher, you are not handing out valuable lessons. You are a thief. If you can't handle that you shouldn't be doing it.

I am owning it, loving it even. And providing tips on how to avoid getting 'owned'. Also: u mad? U sound mad bro...