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[Rubicon] Renaming some autocannons to actually be called autocannons

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Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#81 - 2013-11-01 14:21:19 UTC
Zor'katar wrote:
Kagura Nikon wrote:
By general feel of repsosnes, this was a BAD CCP move, once again, administrative mindset over gamers mindset, factory standards over art, homogenization over being interesting.

Bland... vs colored....

I'd say it's more likely that the majority of players read the idea, think "Well... duh, that's an obvious change that needs to be made" and move on without bothering to comment. This isn't homogenization, it's removal of misleading language. Don't put the word "artillery" into an autocannon, just like you wouldn't put the word "blaster" into a railgun, or "afterburner" into an MWD.

My only complaint is about the CamelCase. Ew.



Do not call machine gun something that is NOT a machien gun. Anythign over 14mm is never called a machine gun! No matter how fast they fire!

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#82 - 2013-11-01 14:56:48 UTC
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Do not call machine gun something that is NOT a machien gun. Anythign over 14mm is never called a machine gun! No matter how fast they fire!


It's not the size of the bullets that define what a machine gun is, it's the firing and loading mechanisms, and these can be scaled up.


Brian VNF wrote:
What about the aptly named meta 4 pulses?

"Mega Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I"

(this applies to all sizes).

one would have a hard time understanding wtf they are without looking at the stats or market categories.


Mega Modulated Pulse Energy Pulse Laser I ... really? Moreover, they have a PULSE in the name already. What is so hard to understand there?

And still no new input from FoxFour?

UI Improvement Collective

My ridicule, heavy criticism and general pale outlook about your or CCP's ideas is nothing but an encouragement to prove me wrong. Give it a try.
Zor'katar
Matari Recreation
#83 - 2013-11-01 15:18:02 UTC
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Do not call machine gun something that is NOT a machien gun. Anythign over 14mm is never called a machine gun! No matter how fast they fire!

This game has a class of weapons that are officially and technically called Artillery. It has a separate class of weapons that are officially and technically called Autocannons. These are useful distinctions for setting base expectations for what the weapons do and what skills they require. Don't put the word "artillery" into a weapon that is technically an autocannon, and don't put the word "autocannon" into a weapon that is technically artillery. Beyond that, I don't really care if you want to call them "machine guns" or "death cannons" or "Super Fantastic Automated Pony Launchers". We just don't need names that specifically mislead people into thinking a weapon is a different class than it really is.
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#84 - 2013-11-01 15:34:33 UTC
Zor'katar wrote:
We just don't need names that specifically mislead people into thinking a weapon is a different class than it really is.


We don't? Up until now no one had an issue with that.

UI Improvement Collective

My ridicule, heavy criticism and general pale outlook about your or CCP's ideas is nothing but an encouragement to prove me wrong. Give it a try.
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#85 - 2013-11-01 15:43:28 UTC
Zor'katar wrote:
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Do not call machine gun something that is NOT a machien gun. Anythign over 14mm is never called a machine gun! No matter how fast they fire!

This game has a class of weapons that are officially and technically called Artillery. It has a separate class of weapons that are officially and technically called Autocannons. These are useful distinctions for setting base expectations for what the weapons do and what skills they require. Don't put the word "artillery" into a weapon that is technically an autocannon, and don't put the word "autocannon" into a weapon that is technically artillery. Beyond that, I don't really care if you want to call them "machine guns" or "death cannons" or "Super Fantastic Automated Pony Launchers". We just don't need names that specifically mislead people into thinking a weapon is a different class than it really is.



if you can get confused by that.. I pity you.. and surely you are someone that should not emit opinions over anythign if you are so chalanged taht you can get confused by that.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Zor'katar
Matari Recreation
#86 - 2013-11-01 16:03:03 UTC
Kagura Nikon wrote:
if you can get confused by that.. I pity you.. and surely you are someone that should not emit opinions over anythign if you are so chalanged taht you can get confused by that.

Why? If an object at first glance could be A or B, and has A in its name, why is it so hard to believe that people will guess that it's A? Do a little forum sleuthing and you'll be able to find multiple cases where that's happened. (No, I'm not going to do your homework for you.)
Zor'katar
Matari Recreation
#87 - 2013-11-01 16:03:46 UTC
Rivr Luzade wrote:
We don't? Up until now no one had an issue with that.

Sure they have. That's why it's now being addressed.
MDKIndy
Drangwaesche
#88 - 2013-11-02 22:46:30 UTC  |  Edited by: MDKIndy
CCP FoxFour wrote:
....


AutoCannon,
Repeating Cannon,
Machine Gun,
Automatic Cannon

Why you change a old name disarrangement whit a new name disarrangement???
Why all AutoCannon cant name simply AutoCannon???


I have it adjust for you:


  • Domination Dual 650mm AutoCannon
  • Dual 650mm 'Scout' AutoCannon
  • Dual 650mm AutoCannon I
  • Dual 650mm AutoCannon II
  • Dual 650mm Carbine AutoCannon
  • Dual 650mm Gallium AutoCannon
  • Dual 650mm Prototype AutoCannon
  • Gotan's Modified Dual 650mm AutoCannon
  • Mizuro's Modified Dual 650mm AutoCannon
  • Republic Fleet Dual 650mm AutoCannon


800mm Repeating Artillery and all its variations have been renamed as follows:

  • 800mm AutoCannon I
  • 800mm AutoCannon II
  • 800mm Heavy 'Jolt' AutoCannon
  • 800mm Heavy 'Scout' AutoCannon
  • 800mm Heavy Carbine AutoCannon
  • 800mm Heavy Gallium AutoCannon
  • 800mm Heavy Prototype AutoCannon
  • Domination 800mm AutoCannon
  • Gotan's Modified 800mm AutoCannon
  • Mizuro's Modified 800mm AutoCannon
  • Republic Fleet 800mm AutoCannon


6x2500mm Repeating AutoCannon and all its variations have been renamed as follows:

  • 6x2500mm Heavy Gallium AutoCannon
  • 6x2500mm AutoCannon I
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#89 - 2013-11-03 03:28:28 UTC
Well it was Artillery ... just ... dual ...

650mm ... a medium sized Artillery ... but 2x ...

I fail to see the point of this change.

Dual Artillery sounded awesome too.

You've overshort there, CCP FoxFour.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#90 - 2013-11-03 03:29:24 UTC
Zor'katar wrote:
Rivr Luzade wrote:
We don't? Up until now no one had an issue with that.

Sure they have. That's why it's now being addressed.
No.
She noticed it and believed it should be streamlined.

Which makes sense in it's own way, but still sucks and isn't necessary.
Utremi Fasolasi
La Dolce Vita
#91 - 2013-11-03 05:51:19 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:
Zor'katar wrote:
Rivr Luzade wrote:
We don't? Up until now no one had an issue with that.

Sure they have. That's why it's now being addressed.
No.
She noticed it and believed it should be streamlined.

Which makes sense in it's own way, but still sucks and isn't necessary.


Foxfour is a dude. :-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7D8V_oZuDU
ElQuirko
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#92 - 2013-11-03 12:38:36 UTC
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
First!

I would have thought that these guns being listed under the "Autocannons" section of the market would have served as sufficient indication that they are in fact not actually Artillery, but I've been wrong before.


Not when, for example, a pilot not used to projectile weapons (such as myself) is looking up these guns to make comparative numbers or fits. It's bloody annoying sometimes, although I realise how stupid this sounds.

Dodixie > Hek
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#93 - 2013-11-04 09:00:37 UTC
Zor'katar wrote:
Kagura Nikon wrote:
if you can get confused by that.. I pity you.. and surely you are someone that should not emit opinions over anythign if you are so chalanged taht you can get confused by that.

Why? If an object at first glance could be A or B, and has A in its name, why is it so hard to believe that people will guess that it's A? Do a little forum sleuthing and you'll be able to find multiple cases where that's happened. (No, I'm not going to do your homework for you.)



Because they have a HUGE icon that shows them as an AC, not an arti!!!!


Its much easier to get confused with t2 ammo for AC and Arties than this. So we shoudl change the ammo name for AC ammo1 and Arti ammo 1 ?

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Nova Satar
Pator Tech School
#94 - 2013-11-12 12:22:01 UTC
thankgod as i was really struggling with the concept
Enthes goldhart
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#95 - 2013-11-12 23:24:08 UTC
I saw the thread name and laughed, its about time Big smile
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#96 - 2013-11-23 00:47:22 UTC
This is the worst idea of all time! Gawd CCP is dumbing down this game and at some point all of us bittervets will bail. They are tailoring this game to the FPS morons or the idiots who play WoW.

What's wrong with ambiguity in naming conventions. Confusing noobs adds texture to the game.



Hey, somebody had to do the "whine at anything CCP does" post...... Big smile

(About time you cleaned up the names....)
Miaaaw
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#97 - 2013-11-23 15:22:58 UTC
I totally agree with X Gallentius, all these complex and funny item names are a small part of what makes EVE a great game and you guys are killing it a bit more every six months.
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#98 - 2013-11-24 09:49:34 UTC
I'll admit I did prefer the old names for the meta prop mods. Monopropellant Hydrazine Boosters and Cold Gas Arcjet Thrusters sounds way cooler than Limited or Experimental. But I'd still rather have the names match up and be ugly than be pretty and not match up.

Now lets see about making all meta 4 powerplant and hull upgrades into the local conversion variant shall we?

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Jessica Danikov
Network Danikov
#99 - 2013-12-04 07:18:36 UTC
CCP FoxFour wrote:
If you are wondering why, basically because it was stupid before and stupid needs to be fixed.


It is the duty of everyone to execute stupid on the spot, no matter who is escorting it.
Zvaarian the Red
Evil Leprechaun Brigade
#100 - 2013-12-09 05:18:19 UTC
For the life of me I do not understand why this is still a sticky while the rapid launcher thread was un-stickied weeks ago. This thread is ~2 weeks older than that thread and deals with a topic almost no one cares about unlike rapid launchers. CCP is possibly the most obtuse game designer I've ever encountered.