Wormholes

So I am looking for information on how others do this.

I have used 'the pot' system before, where everyone contributes to the pot, by putting there blue loot and salvage and things mined into a big pot. T3 stuff is made and then blue loot and t3 stuff are then sold, and everyone who was in on the pot gets a cut.

This has various advantages and disadvantages, but it works on a small scale.

I'm debaiting on changing this, but want to see how others handle it. I'm thinking of doing a 'corp buys stuff at -x jita/npc order prices' this way people can just do whatever and sell it to the corp/alliance.

Anyway as I said I wanted to see what other WH corps/alliances do to work there sites and pay there members while still having isk for fuel and the like.

the pot system sux. it comes down to how to split the pot. the bigger it is the more unfair it is. every system you devise is a challenge that folks will learn to beat.

if you pay out the pot based on participation folks will log on to get their point for the period then vanish. nothing is equal. some days you'll run 5 sites fully escalated and other days there will be one. a 5 site day isn't equal to a one site day. daily participation schemes just blow.

so how to pay it out????

split evenly whatever is brought in when it is brought in amongst those that brought it in. just make a spreadsheet of what comes in, who brought it in and what it's worth. pay out as soon as possible.

not tax, no shares, no points - none of the crap that breeds inequality. just pay the isk out as it comes in.

-run op
-put loot in can
-name can with names of participants
-take can to jita (tags to hirtmon)
-sell loot
-pay participants evenly

if you want to do stupid industry crap with it, buy it AT jita price, dont screw your corp mates.

though its not screwing if I buy loot or whatever at -x% jit prices, why? I still have to scan and exit and spend time hauling and selling the crap. So my tiem is valuable, if they don't want to lose the 5% or whatever they can waste there own time finding exits and hauling stuff. After running 30+ pos' in 0.0 alone, hauling moon goo and fuel all day everyday, yea.. screw that, if I have to fuel the pos' and haul the stuff i'm gonna tax for my time.

But that's beside the point. Wondering what other ways people handle payouts.

Don't waste time PVEing with large groups. You can do other things while that is happening.

Large groups consist of incompetents and lazies.

Congrats, you have figured out why most people don't want to be a ceo.

I buy gas off my corpmates to react and make a bit of isk to fuel my pos. I buy at best jita buy. Why? Well my corpies would just sell to the buy orders anyway, and this way I don't have to set up buy orders and haul it in myself. Win/win.

Honestly tags they can handle theirself, if you want the salvage just buy at jita prices. If you aren't doing that honestly you are taking advantage of your corpmates, GL with that. Someone will get buthurt about it and then someday all your shinies will be missing, or there will be dreads on the tower etc.

A good corp, at least in my opinion, should be about what is best for the members taken as a whole, not the leadership or the corp itself.


p.s. how is scanning for exits work? We live in w-space, bob blesses us with exits or pew as he see fit, take the hint and use what is given to you. Reward your scouts and you will see many more exits than you do now. You should always have people scanning.

As ceo of my corp, we do it like this: ppl run ops -> all salvage goes into 1 container, when it reaches certain treshold or certain time has passed director or ceo takes it into jita for sale then I minus the 2-3 weeks pos fuel from it and rest is equally shared among active members. (this works best in small groups)



Aakkonen

Poor Bane, you need to learn to mix more colors.

you can always talk to me

We are very simple minded.... Sleeper loot and salvage only seems to net out 15-20% of estimated value, unless of course you spend days doing market pvp on each little item.

We take the estimated value of the loot/salvage, subtract out 20%, and split the balance with the participants. Whomever wants to be the hauler/seller pays out everyone and then it is up to them to haul out and sell. Most don't seem to want to that job so it usually falls to me or another member. Simple, effective, and everyone seems reasonably happy with it.