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CCP, please let us, the players help the Philipphines!

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Samroski
Middle-Earth
#121 - 2013-11-12 14:39:12 UTC
MestariBation wrote:
CCP only helps rich countries like Japan.

CCP helped Pakistan and Haiti, both far from rich.

How does a PLEX drive impact the PLEX market? Maybe CCP are wary of introducing a drive with PLEX riding high?

Any colour you like.

Rhivre
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
#122 - 2013-11-12 15:39:55 UTC
I can see why a drive would impact the market, but they should then allow for the funds being already held to be donated.
Octoven
Stellar Production
#123 - 2013-11-12 16:08:54 UTC
If you are worried about supply, CCP has loads of confiscated PLEXs that they have never been shy to release when need be. Perhaps the CCP character responsible for collecting PLEXs could instead sell those for people who wish to donate?
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#124 - 2013-11-12 16:30:03 UTC
At a certain point CCP opened to direct ISK charity transters. In that case they'd do very good for the game, because the charity drive would not stress PLEXes but would act as much needed ISK sink.
RAW23
#125 - 2013-11-12 16:36:50 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
At a certain point CCP opened to direct ISK charity transters. In that case they'd do very good for the game, because the charity drive would not stress PLEXes but would act as much needed ISK sink.


I don't see this happening. Destroying PLEX by taking them out of the game and converting them back into cash removes a liability for CCP (game time tokens) that has already been paid for by someone. All they are doing in this case is reversing the transaction, which is ultimately either cost-neutral or low in cost for them. Isk, on the other hand, is something that no one has paid them for and that is not a real life financial liability for them. Accepting isk donations that are not converted into PLEX will have a much higher real life cost for CCP.

If something stops CCP going ahead with this, I suspect it will be the fact that they don't have much in taxable profits at the moment, so they don't have much tax they can write off against a charitable donation. The failure of DUST is likely to have hit their books pretty hard and it may just be that with the best will in the world they simply don't have spare money to donate.

There are two types of EVE player:

those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not.

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#126 - 2013-11-12 17:27:40 UTC
Anyway if I have to be honest, I'd have appreciated a reply.

If I created a troll thread talking of boobs I'd have 2-3 dev replies by now.

Why not for an humanitarian initiative?
Samroski
Middle-Earth
#127 - 2013-11-12 18:12:18 UTC
Hilmar is famous for letting dust settle before addressing issues... we need another 40something page threadnought to reassure CCP that the problem hasn't gone away by itself.

Any colour you like.

Octoven
Stellar Production
#128 - 2013-11-12 19:14:06 UTC
Samroski wrote:
Hilmar is famous for letting dust settle before addressing issues... we need another 40something page threadnought to reassure CCP that the problem hasn't gone away by itself.


Aye because that is working extremely well with the live events forum :P
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#129 - 2013-11-12 19:21:36 UTC
Samroski wrote:
Hilmar is famous for letting dust settle before addressing issues... we need another 40something page threadnought to reassure CCP that the problem hasn't gone away by itself.


We can't let this fade off.

It's real people who are not getting an help, not some imaginary spacepixels.

Real people are dying and we sit here, unable to do what HAS to be done!
Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#130 - 2013-11-12 19:24:05 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Anyway if I have to be honest, I'd have appreciated a reply.

If I created a troll thread talking of boobs I'd have 2-3 dev replies by now.

Why not for an humanitarian initiative?

This is ridiculous, CCP. Maybe VV should have badged the initiative around somer to get some attention. "Win a blink to get the aid!" Perhaps that is more their style nowadays.

Was that shot too cheap? Probably. But I don't understand what there is to even discuss. The drives have happened before, there has been a disaster, the community is ready and willing. Just get on with it.

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.

TruthState
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#131 - 2013-11-12 19:37:51 UTC  |  Edited by: TruthState
If anyone has actually seen the Philipphines up close they know no amount of money could help that country. Before this tragedy happened this country was already wrecked. This money will be a wasted endeavor just to make 1st world folks feel good about themselves thinking they will solve problems. Face facts, your money will be waisted. Your temporary feeling of moral superiority will only make you feel good. In terms of pragmatic practicality it does nothing.

Enjoy your 1st world problems, and not solving issues in the real world. You want to make a difference you actually do, there is no other solution. Mother nature is a nasty *****, your dollars mean **** to nature.

Thx,
Careby
#132 - 2013-11-12 19:38:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Careby
I support Plex for Philippines relief, and hope CCP does also.


TruthState wrote:
If anyone has actually seen the Philipphines up close they know no amount of money could help that country. Before this tragedy happened this country was already wrecked. This money will be a wasted endeavor just to make 1st world folks feel good about themselves thinking they will solve problems. Face facts, your money will be waisted. Your temporary feeling of moral superiority will only make you feel good. It terms of pragmatic practicality it does nothing...

So is your point that we should only try to help those who don't need help? Or that we should not try to help anyone?
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#133 - 2013-11-12 19:40:15 UTC
In good news the death toll has dropped from 10k to 2500.

Rhivre
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
#134 - 2013-11-12 19:44:09 UTC
TruthState wrote:
If anyone has actually seen the Philipphines up close they know no amount of money could help that country. Before this tragedy happened this country was already wrecked. This money will be a wasted endeavor just to make 1st world folks feel good about themselves thinking they will solve problems. Face facts, your money will be waisted. Your temporary feeling of moral superiority will only make you feel good. It terms of pragmatic practicality it does nothing.

Enjoy your 1st world problems, and not solving issues in the real world. Mother nature is a nasty *****, your dollars mean **** to nature.

Thx,




Really? People from that country who live elsewhere are sending money back to provide clean water, shelter for people there, and when the earthquake hit, money was sent directly.

You seem to be confusing "getting emergency aid to people who are freezing and starving and without clean water" with "Turning a place into a first world country".

Also, you seem to be under the impression that the Philippines is some backwater country. That is nice, and for sure, parts of it are off the beaten track, but to think it is some place stuck 200 years in the past developmentally is....quaint.

In terms of pragmatic practicality, providing emergency shelter, clean water, and other basic human needs to people is about as helpful as can be.

Can we stop nature pooping on the Philippines? Nope, but then, we couldn't stop Katrina, or the Earthquakes in Japan, Haiti, or Mount St Helens, or any other disaster. Fortunately however, we have an ability to try to prevent people dying from a lack of basic human needs.
TruthState
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#135 - 2013-11-12 19:47:26 UTC
Rhivre wrote:
TruthState wrote:
If anyone has actually seen the Philipphines up close they know no amount of money could help that country. Before this tragedy happened this country was already wrecked. This money will be a wasted endeavor just to make 1st world folks feel good about themselves thinking they will solve problems. Face facts, your money will be waisted. Your temporary feeling of moral superiority will only make you feel good. It terms of pragmatic practicality it does nothing.

Enjoy your 1st world problems, and not solving issues in the real world. Mother nature is a nasty *****, your dollars mean **** to nature.

Thx,




Really? People from that country who live elsewhere are sending money back to provide clean water, shelter for people there, and when the earthquake hit, money was sent directly.

You seem to be confusing "getting emergency aid to people who are freezing and starving and without clean water" with "Turning a place into a first world country".

Also, you seem to be under the impression that the Philippines is some backwater country. That is nice, and for sure, parts of it are off the beaten track, but to think it is some place stuck 200 years in the past developmentally is....quaint.

In terms of pragmatic practicality, providing emergency shelter, clean water, and other basic human needs to people is about as helpful as can be.

Can we stop nature pooping on the Philippines? Nope, but then, we couldn't stop Katrina, or the Earthquakes in Japan, Haiti, or Mount St Helens, or any other disaster. Fortunately however, we have an ability to try to prevent people dying from a lack of basic human needs.


k
RAW23
#136 - 2013-11-12 20:01:01 UTC
TruthState wrote:
If anyone has actually seen the Philipphines up close they know no amount of money could help that country. Before this tragedy happened this country was already wrecked. This money will be a wasted endeavor just to make 1st world folks feel good about themselves thinking they will solve problems. Face facts, your money will be waisted. Your temporary feeling of moral superiority will only make you feel good. In terms of pragmatic practicality it does nothing.

Enjoy your 1st world problems, and not solving issues in the real world. You want to make a difference you actually do, there is no other solution. Mother nature is a nasty *****, your dollars mean **** to nature.

Thx,


Wow! You're so tough and worldly. Help the rest of us be cynical defeatists like you, please! I'm sure it's for the best.

On a side note, your arguments are ****.

There are two types of EVE player:

those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not.

Nanatoa
#137 - 2013-11-12 20:04:42 UTC
TruthState wrote:
If anyone has actually seen the Philipphines up close they know no amount of money could help that country. Before this tragedy happened this country was already wrecked. This money will be a wasted endeavor just to make 1st world folks feel good about themselves thinking they will solve problems. Face facts, your money will be waisted. Your temporary feeling of moral superiority will only make you feel good. In terms of pragmatic practicality it does nothing.

Enjoy your 1st world problems, and not solving issues in the real world. You want to make a difference you actually do, there is no other solution. Mother nature is a nasty *****, your dollars mean **** to nature.


If you're gonna troll at least make your post internally consistent.
"Face facts, your money will be waisted[sic]. Your temporary feeling of moral superiority will only make you feel good."
Surely spending money so one feels good is not wasting money? If the money really does nothing else, at least it has made one person feel better.

"Stay the course, we have done this many times before." - (CCP) Hilmar, June 2011

Nanatoa
#138 - 2013-11-12 20:06:15 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Anyway if I have to be honest, I'd have appreciated a reply.

If I created a troll thread talking of boobs I'd have 2-3 dev replies by now.


I have an idea: perhaps you could Skype with someone from CCP? Instant reply!

"Stay the course, we have done this many times before." - (CCP) Hilmar, June 2011

TruthState
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#139 - 2013-11-12 20:13:14 UTC  |  Edited by: TruthState
RAW23 wrote:
TruthState wrote:
If anyone has actually seen the Philipphines up close they know no amount of money could help that country. Before this tragedy happened this country was already wrecked. This money will be a wasted endeavor just to make 1st world folks feel good about themselves thinking they will solve problems. Face facts, your money will be waisted. Your temporary feeling of moral superiority will only make you feel good. In terms of pragmatic practicality it does nothing.

Enjoy your 1st world problems, and not solving issues in the real world. You want to make a difference you actually do, there is no other solution. Mother nature is a nasty *****, your dollars mean **** to nature.

Thx,


Wow! You're so tough and worldly. Help the rest of us be cynical defeatists like you, please! I'm sure it's for the best.

On a side note, your arguments are ****.



You can throw your money at the problem as you wish, it wont solve a thing. People here in the West dont care about the Philippines, what they do care about is to make themselves feel good that they are making a difference with the money they send over. I'm looking at what good was done since the 2004 Tsunami relief or the Haiti earthquake. All that was done was temporary feelings of self gratification that good deeds were done. But its a frugal exercise to donate 10$ to give someone food or water for a day. Same thing with when you have aid organizations giving food to nations in Africa. You give people the tools to become independent, not reliant consistently on the outside world. You want food for your people, here are the tools we will give you to grow, not consecutive hand outs that solve nothing. You want problems to not persist during emergencies, then fund the neccessary government organizations to do the hardwork through the national tax process & not pass it over to NGO's that'll be eager to waste a good chunk of the money on administrative costs. Let it be a government venture not a NGO venture.
Rhivre
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
#140 - 2013-11-12 20:20:37 UTC
Some of us know people who are directly affected by the typhoon, and they certainly do not see money being sent to provide basic stuff as wasted, or useless. They also do not think the money raised that they sent directly after the earthquake is wasted, and neither is the money they themselves are taking over.

To compare food aid to a country or development aid, to aid after one of the strongest storms ever to make landfall is....a bizarre comparison. Problems "persisting" during this emergency include, but are not limited to "Holy crap, my house doesnt exist" "our water is full of sewage". Now, I am not sure what you suggest is best for preventing these problems, as even one of the richest cities in the world suffered with a lack of utilities after a wind several orders of magnitude smaller last year.

Bearing in mind that alleged 1st world countries need assistance after disasters....and almost 10 years down the road are still not functioning as before....