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Has CCP lost its way?
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Patri Andari
Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer
#1 - 2013-11-12 02:27:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Patri Andari
All the feedback we got last year, it was very clear we were headed in not the right direction. I wanted to pull us back in the right one. So goals for 2012. What is it that CCP is going to be doing for you, the EVE player as we go through this year?..

We're gonna stop the Jesus features. We're gonna stop the huge "There's gonna be one great amazing thing that will change EVE forever" attitude....

We're gonna be about concentration on the industrialist, the pvpers, the null seccers, the factional warfare players, the role players, everybody that's actually played at the heart of the game. That's what we are gonna be about this year, is that core spaceship game.

Iteration is not a dirty word. There are so many things that we can go back to...that we can re-balance...add things to. Which isn't creating something completely brand new..but going back and giving those things a bit of invigoration...

Building on that, you [eve player base] are the important people...you guys have very clear views on what is a great game. We [CCP] need to make sure that the game is fun for you. We need to make sure that we are delivering something you want to play.

And so that listening, that engaging back with the community, that developers becoming more accessible [and] looking for that feedback, getting back what it is that you want to see in the game. That is what we are doing this year.
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----Senior Producer Jon Lander
EVE Fanfest 2012: EVE Keynote

Be careful what you think, for your thoughts become your words. Be careful what you say, for your words become your actions. Be careful what you do, for your actions become your character. And character is everything. - author unknown
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#2 - 2013-11-12 02:39:04 UTC
Patri Andari wrote:
All the feedback we got last year, it was very clear we were headed in not the right direction. I wanted to pull us back in the right one. So goals for 2012. What is it that CCP is going to be doing for you, the EVE player as we go through this year?..

We're gonna stop the Jesus features. We're gonna stop the huge "There's gonna be one great amazing thing that will change EVE forever" attitude....

We're gonna be about concentration on the industrialist, the pvpers, the null seccers, the factional warfare players, the role players, everybody that's actually played at the heart of the game. That's what we are gonna be about this year, is that core spaceship game.

Iteration is not a dirty word. There are so many things that we can go back to...that we can re-balance...add things to. Which isn't creating something completely brand new..but going back and giving those things a bit of invigoration...

Building on that, you [eve player base] are the important people...you guys have very clear views on what is a great game. We [CCP] need to make sure that the game is fun for you. We need to make sure that we are delivering something you want to play.

And so that listening, that engaging back with the community, that developers becoming more accessible [and] looking for that feedback, getting back what it is that you want to see in the game. That is what we are doing this year.
___________________________________________________________________________________________________

----Senior Producer Jon Lander
EVE Fanfest 2012: EVE Keynote

Are there enough honest contributors to the community?

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Patri Andari
Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer
#3 - 2013-11-12 02:44:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Patri Andari
CCP please stop hiring from your fan base to positons that have a final say in GAME BALANCE! Consultants are fine. They have expertise but they also have agendas.

Those of us that pay the same (or more) subscription are hurt when this happens.

Also please consider only hiring players for color commentary in official eve events like Eve Tournament. Perhaps look to experienced journalists like folks from Ten Ton to announce and people involved in the game ( like Kil2) to add color and their eve knowledge (think pro sports coverage).

Just a thought.

Be careful what you think, for your thoughts become your words. Be careful what you say, for your words become your actions. Be careful what you do, for your actions become your character. And character is everything. - author unknown
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#4 - 2013-11-12 02:51:04 UTC
Patri Andari wrote:

We're gonna stop the Jesus features. We're gonna stop the huge "There's gonna be one great amazing thing that will change EVE forever" attitude....



Hmm..yet they call the next expansion Rubicon and announce that there will be no going back....


Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#5 - 2013-11-12 03:22:42 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Patri Andari wrote:

We're gonna stop the Jesus features. We're gonna stop the huge "There's gonna be one great amazing thing that will change EVE forever" attitude....

Hmm..yet they call the next expansion Rubicon and announce that there will be no going back....

It's just the empires losing their grasp on power, concord is still there to whip capsuleers

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Richard Ramlrez
Doomheim
#6 - 2013-11-12 03:37:07 UTC
Idk, maybe you need some break from the game. Everyone in a while gets tired by playing the same game for years. I came back recently and 'im having lots of fun by playing in small doses.

Damn i'm even tempted to move to nullsec and see the other side of EVE.
Felicity Love
Doomheim
#7 - 2013-11-12 03:57:24 UTC
It's easy to put all of this in context, and always have the only answer that matters. Repeat after me...

GREED
IS
GOOD...

Repeat as often as necessary until it sinks in. Roll

"EVE is dying." -- The Four Forum Trolls of the Apocalypse.   ( Pick four, any four. They all smell.  )
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2013-11-12 04:08:02 UTC
Patri Andari wrote:
CCP please stop hiring from your fan base to positons that have a final say in GAME BALANCE! Consultants are fine. They have expertise but they also have agendas.

Confirming CCP Fozzie and CCP Rise have an agenda...


... an agenda to properly balance spaceships
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#9 - 2013-11-12 05:20:28 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
Patri Andari wrote:
CCP please stop hiring from your fan base to positons that have a final say in GAME BALANCE! Consultants are fine. They have expertise but they also have agendas.

Confirming CCP Fozzie and CCP Rise have an agenda...


... an agenda to properly balance spaceships

That's an agenda, if you ask those who enjoy using overpowered spaceships

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2013-11-12 05:39:00 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Benny Ohu wrote:
Patri Andari wrote:
CCP please stop hiring from your fan base to positons that have a final say in GAME BALANCE! Consultants are fine. They have expertise but they also have agendas.

Confirming CCP Fozzie and CCP Rise have an agenda...


... an agenda to properly balance spaceships

That's an agenda, if you ask those who enjoy using overpowered spaceships

The hurricane wasn't overpowered, everything else was underpowered compared to the 'cane. You expect me to train towards a second ship? CCP's trying to FORCE us into wasting training time
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#11 - 2013-11-12 05:53:14 UTC
Draek

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Tilly Delnero
Doomheim
#12 - 2013-11-12 08:27:22 UTC
I have to wonder about CCP's direction for EVE since the Incarna debacle. Going back to the basics was a good thing since it fixed a few long-standing issues and rebalanced others, but now I just feel like CCP doesn't really know what to do with the game. At least with Incarna/WiS they seemed to have a passion and an idea for the future, now they just ask the players for ideas and seem to make minor changes to things that didn't need changing just for the sake of it.

For me, it in part comes back to the rapid release of expansions issue. Whenever people bring up complex issues that need addressing (POS's, drone AI, corp/alliance management, grid mechanics), the reply tends to be that it is a complex issue and that they are too busy working on the next expansion. Wouldn't it be better to release fewer expansions and free up dev time for long-term fixing/redesign for a while?
Caldari 5
D.I.L.L.I.G.A.F. S.A.S
Affirmative.
#13 - 2013-11-12 08:42:36 UTC
There are allot of things that could use with a re-look(I'm looking at you COSMOS and Storyline Production Items), and some things that need a major re-design(I'm looking at you POS and Corp Roles)
Samroski
Middle-Earth
#14 - 2013-11-12 11:33:19 UTC
Yes, yet again.

Any colour you like.
Good Posting
Doomheim
#15 - 2013-11-12 12:37:14 UTC
EVE dying is.
Seismic Stan
Freebooted Junkworks
#16 - 2013-11-12 13:06:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Seismic Stan
I think CCP had lost their way in 2010-2011 and the debacle surrounding Incarna was a symptom of that. Ambitious ideas were being shoehorned into short development periods without the resources to do the concepts justice.

In the wake CCP's realisation that things had been going awry, Jon 'CCP Unifex' Lander was instrumental in steadying the ship. Under his tenure as Executive Producer, he did exactly what was needed and as a result, the Crucible, Inferno and Retribution expansions were largely focused on iteration with a few minor features bolted on. It was the shot in the arm that EVE needed.

Now Lander has moved on (to explore CCP's mobile strategy) we are starting to see a return of some of that ambition. But in moderation, that is a good thing.

In order to be commercially successful, EVE Online needs to stay up-to-date and be appealing to new players as well as those heavily-invested veterans, or it will fade, becoming solely the playground for an ever dwindling dedicated player-base.

In short, I don't think CCP has lost its way. Quite the opposite, I think it is just finding it again.

EVE Online: The Text Adventure --- GameSkinny Correspondent --- Freebooted Blogger
Guttripper
State War Academy
Caldari State
#17 - 2013-11-12 13:15:32 UTC
Good Posting wrote:
EVE dying is.

"Everything Dies" - X-Files, "Herrenvolk"
Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2013-11-12 13:20:03 UTC
I had a brief look at a map and iceland doesn't look that big.
also one of them is bound to have GPS on their phone.
TBH this reminds me of my mum phoning me up because her cat has been outside for 3 hours and she is worried "something has happened to it"
Anyway i am sure they will turn up soon possibly with amusing stories involving alcohol and loose women.

Fake edit. i didn't read any of the thread due to the tedium it was bound to contain.

Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85
Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#19 - 2013-11-12 13:59:06 UTC
I get the impression that the lesson CCP took from the Incarna flop was "don't overpromise" rather than "don't underdeliver"

The last few expansions have picked off the majority of the low hanging fruit, at some point they have to start thinking big again.

Every time you post a WiS thread, Hilmar strangles a kitten.
MestariBation
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2013-11-12 14:05:06 UTC
Patri Andari wrote:
CCP please stop hiring from your fan base to positons that have a final say in GAME BALANCE! Consultants are fine. They have expertise but they also have agendas.

Those of us that pay the same (or more) subscription are hurt when this happens.

Also please consider only hiring players for color commentary in official eve events like Eve Tournament. Perhaps look to experienced journalists like folks from Ten Ton to announce and people involved in the game ( like Kil2) to add color and their eve knowledge (think pro sports coverage).

Just a thought.

Yes, hire youtube heroes with boobs and more history teachers too!!!

Send me isk im poor
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