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They they should fix the BS missiles while they are at it.

If Caldari are to be saddled with their alternate weapon system then the other races should as well. The Tornado should be missiles only, the Talos drones only, etc.

well the plates and armor rigs youre going to fit with a talos pretty much take care of that speed advantage, The oracle might be able to use a slight speed buff, but its already quite powerful

Caldari are reported to be the most commonly played race in the game.

Historically many Caldari players have not invested valuable training time into hybrids for obvious reasons. 1. Caldari's main weapon is missiles, 2. Hybrids have always sucked, 3. Caldari Hybrid boats are unimpressive. Prior to this announcement only an idiot Caldari pilot would have invested the time to train hybrids.

A great many Caldari pilots feel like they have been given the short end of the stick for a long time when it comes to PvP -- which is why most train out of Caldari and into a PvP race once they understand the game better. With these new T3 BC's, CCP is doing nothing to correct this.

When this expansion launches there are going to be a LOT of angry Caldari pilots who will feel that CCP added new PvP ships for everyone but them.

The line of you guys should be happy to get some versatility just do's not add up when.

1.) CCP releases two differnt flavors of Hybird ships. Reather limiting dont you think? And not just for this Teir 3 BC's ether.

2.) CCP releases Minmatar and Amarr with there races primary weapon systems but fails to release the Caldari/Gallente versions with there primary weapon systems. And yes Missiles are the Caldari primary weapon system and Drones being the Gallente primary weapon system is on a thin line as most of Gallente ships do have bonus primarly for Hybirds how ever it's the Drone ships that mainly get used and Gallente ships normaly have bigger drone bays and more drone bandwidth then other ships over all.

3.) Hybirds out side of smaller fleet fights and roaming ganks suck. Not all hybirds most can agre that Captial and small hybirds are just fine. Med hybirds and Large hybirds are what's primaly in question. As over all for cruiser/BC/and BS Hybirds just dont cut the mustered for Major fleet fights and that's becouse of game mechanic changes and the fact that Hybirds are meant to be the middle line and support weapon system for Caldari Missiles and Gallente drones.

So yes there is trueth to the fact that Missiles are Caldari primary weapons. Even though Cruise/Torps kind of suffer right now. And yes Gallente primary weapons are drones. And you would see this ships and there weapon systems if they were fixed to be on par with Projectials and Lazers more in major fleet fights.

If you want Caldari BS's in major fleet fights fix BS missles and give the Raven 8xMissile points and the added cpu/gride to fit them.

If you want Gallente BS's in major fleet fights fix the holes in drone's like Low slot dmg modules and Drone hardwireing.

Till then you will never see any kind of strong Caldire/Gallente fleet make up for major fleet battles. And the ones you do see will most likely be for there EW ships. Or for drones or heavy missiles but most diffently will not be there for the greatness of Large or med Hybirds or BS missiles. Though Torps are great for pos bashing but lack a non-Maurader platform for them. Not even counting the fact that that double missile dmg and fewer missiles is a nerf as now 1 defender missile will effectively remove two missiles worth of dmg.

So here's for hoping CCP can fig out that whats great for Guns is not always great for Missiles. But funny thing is whats great for guns is great for Drones as there nothing less then moblie guns so plz just give use drone users a low slot drone dmg module or double the Drone Bandwidth and drone bays and let us use a BS verson of Drone Control Unit's. Becouse Drone dmg on the Dominix has fallen way behind here compared to Projectials and Lazers.

Short of it is that Missiles and Drones make lag so that makes Gallente and Caldari the Red Headed Step Child that CCP likes to kick in the nuts and tell us its a good thing by trying to force Hybirds onto both of us.

Long of it is at the same time they dont want to make all gunnery weapons systems the same and no one wants that ether. Projectails fill there roles well as Artillery is best Alph and Autocannons are the best skirmish weapons in the game as it should be. Lazers fill there roles well to as Beams range dps and Pulses med to close dps.

So what gunnery role's are open to be filled by Hybirds that will not step of the roles of the other two. Rails best extrem ranged dps with witch there is curraintly no use for ingame and blasters as the point blank defence system that will brake CCP's stated game balance of no Large weapon systems being good at killing smaller ships. But there slowly geting blasters to that point blank defence role anyways with a 20% base tracking speed inc.

And on top of that there are alot of pissed off Caldari and Gallente pilots that could realy care less about Hybirds they want there BS Missiles and BS Missile platforms fixed and Gallente drone users want the drone holes filled like low slot drone dmg modules or a doubling of the drone bandwidth and drone bays and the ablity to fit Drone control units to get are drone dps up to par with Projectails and Lazers. And to fix the over site of no Drone hardwiring.

And to just rebalance are ships as a hole to be centered on drones way more then Hybirds. i.e. Dominix remove the 5% hybird dmg and replace it with a 7-10% to armor hitpoints.

Mega inc drone bay to match Dominix replace 5% hybird dmg and replace it with the 10% drone/dmg/hit bonus. It mite have 8 high slots but it only can fit the same number of hybirds as the Dominix anyways so its no bigge it's stuck right now halve way between being ether a great hybird platform or drone platform thats not fully reached for ether pve or pvp till you trade it in for a realy Hybird platform like the Vindicator anyways and many many Drone using gallente pilots will rejoice.

Keep the Hyperion as the Hybird ship.

Edit: I stoped there as I could list every BC/Cruiser ect. ect. for Gallente and there's no real need for that. And Caldari missils from frigs to BC's sizes are good it's mostly BS missiles and there lack of a 8 slot missile ship in the Tech 1 BS range.

Ya but you do know thats the same problem with omost every blaster ships ranging from cruiser to BS right. What your saying is hybirds are still not fixed to the degree that every blaster ships from Cruiser size to BS size needs a EW bonus in order to fuction right.

News flash we already know Hybirds were still broken junk so the Nage mite as well get it's own Caldari flavor of broken junk in Torps and Cruise missiles.

And let Drone pilots get there less broken junk of a drone boat reather then another Fail rail caldari ship that mite make a better ganking blaster ship then the gallente ganker.

Why becouse there are already alot of Fail/ganking Hybird ships already so give some love to the Missile and Drone users. Mostly drone users becouse we dont have nearly the number of sub-capital drone ships to pick from.

Edit: FYI I am crosstrained to every race and weapons system sub-captial. So I do have first hand user experiance with the vast majority of ships/weapons and even EW.

I agree with what your saying 100%. But would like to point out that even though Gallente pilots are not reported to be as many as you Caldari but there are still a fair number of use too.

And alot of Gallente pilots agree that Drones are the main Gallente weapon and mostly fit AutoCannons to are drone ships that are way to few in number sub-capital wise to begin with. Are going to feel the same way about this Hybird Gallente Talos too.

Count how many drone focused/bonused Gallente ships there are and how many hyrbid focused/bonused ships there are and then think about it a little bit. Also way to sextuple post, there is an edit button so have a think about that to.

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Gallente

Champions of liberty and fierce guardians of the human spirit, the Gallente Federation is the only true democracy in New Eden. Some of the most progressive leaders, scientists, and businessmen of the era have emerged from its diverse peoples. Pioneers of artificial intelligence, the Federation once relied almost entirely on drone fleets to defend its beliefs and borders. But the limitations of this technology and the lack of a human element—both in terms of a military strategy, and as a means of spreading influence— eventually reached a critical point. Today, Gallentean starships are manned by some of the bravest men and women of New Eden.

Ya cant wonder why we Gallentes belive that Drones are the main weapon system of Gallentes.

Count ships ok lets start at the top with BS

BS carry has to have at least 125m3 drone bandwidth and at the very least at least 125m3 done bay lets look now at BS's

Tier 1 Dominix 125m3 Drone bandwidth and 375m3 drone bay with a drone dmg bonus on ship.

tier 2 Megathron it has 2 hybird weapon bonus on ship but lets look at the fittings opps only 6 turrent points but to make up for that its also a drone ships with 125m3 drone bandwidth and 125m3 drone bay so 1/1 hybirds and drones.

tier 3 Hyperion Hybirds.

So thats 2 ships for Hybirds and 2 ships for drones. Even Steven so far.

How about Tech 2 ships lets take a look there.

Sin whats this 125m3 drone bandwidth and 400m3 drone bay and drone dmg bonus

The Marauder Kronos is differntly a Hybird ship with slightly enhanced Drone bay for more drone flexablity but still primarly a Hybird ship.

So still even steven on Hybirds and Drone ships at 1/1 Tech 2 BS's.

Now one to tech 1 Gallente cruisers.

Cruiser drone carryers have to have at least 50m3 drone bandwidth and atleast the same in drone bay.

Celestis is a EW ship so I dont realy think its weapons realy count. But if you look at it there is a hybird bonus but its only got 3 turret hardpoints and 2 launcher and 40m3 drone bandwidth/bay so its weapons lay out is kind of all over the place becouse its main role is EW. So not counting this one for ether hybirds or drones.

Exequror is a Logi/hualer ship and it has no weapon bonus but has 4 turret hardpoints and 40m3 Drone bandwidth/bay again not counting this one as ether a hybird or drone ship.

Thorax Diffently a Hybird ship. But it do's full fill the base needs of also being a drone carry with 50m3 Drone bandwidth/bay so its a 1/1 1 for hybirds and 1 for drone carryers both. Ship bonus are hybird dmg and Micro warpdrive and so the final results is its the best blaster hybird tech 1 cruiser making it over shadow its drone carry bandwidth/bay.

Vexor Drone ships hands down 75m3 Drone bandwidth and 100m3 drone bay. 4 turrent hardpoints and ship bonus for both hybirds and drones but drone carry it diffently is.

So that's basicly even Steven again with 1/1 for both hybirds and drone carrys.

Ok thats were I stop as it would take way to much posting space to keep coming up Even Steven across most of the Gallente fleet for both hybirds and drones.

So with basicly even spacing for both Hybird and drone ships across most of the fleet it comes down to role playing story lines. That and doing drones better then any other race kind of makes us the drone race when combinded with the back story for the race and has been that way for year after year after year. So ya Drones are the primery weapon system of Gallentes and it's firmly in the minds of many as such.

Is EVE a game for spacewarrior and badass spacefleet commanders, or is this some sort of place for whiny kids ?

Yes, the Naga will be using turrets.

And then what ? Is that a SO BIG DEAL that you have to come here and sextuple post about how gallente uses drones and all that ?

Hint : It's not.