Player Features and Ideas Discussion

(These ideas came to me whilst I was in the bath, so you know they're inspired.)

So, many of the gripes with these particular missiles centre around a main concept: they just plain suck their application is absolutely terrible. Here are my suggestions of how to revamp these awful weapons:

Torpedoes: Turn them into a combination of a bomb and remote ECM. That being, make them a projected AoE weapon that does graded damage on the same sort of grading scale as bombs do. This would give the Phoenix and Leviathan some actual appeal in being used against battleship fleets - whilst their awful application at the moment means they're good for little more than shooting at POSes, a slight increase in explosion velocity and reduction in explosion radius (or whichever way makes it hit better, I'm not a rocket scientist) coupled with area-of-effect explosive velocity would mean that the relatively mediocre damage of the Phoenix could be applied to multiple targets at once, whilst dreads such as the Moros retain the role of RIDICULOUS DPS but focused on one target.

Cruise missiles: Keep them as single-target weapons, but give them a damage bonus against other capital ships. These missiles are the size of a frigate, they should do about as much damage as a bomb-laden frigate crashing into an enemy capital. Why not create some appeal with the Phoenix and Leviathan by giving them the ability to bust numerous painful aubergine-sized caps in the enemy capital fleet's ass?

These are my rough, draft suggestions. Any feedback? I'd also love to hear yours.

Bump because I like.

No, not really. You've only made them just good enough to have the same inherent gaping flaws as every other missile type, with the added bonus of being far too slow to hit anything that's moving.

I think the aim of the thread was to suggest your own ideas as well as to discuss others'. Wanna contribute?

I agree with this man.

Agreed - or poorly implemented, as evidenced by the fact that the RHML is now being obsoleted due to concerns of it being "better" than torpedoes or cruises.

As the gentleman above explained, this would just be giving the Phoenix the job of stealth bombers. Dreadnoughts are designed to be structure and captial ship crunshers, not subcap crunshers.

If you want to crunsh subcaps, take an approriate ship, but don't complain about the indadequacy of a ship that was never meant to do the job.

I'm not sure what they need to do, but "moving cautiously" as was implied in an earlier thread (currently back on page 3) implies some kind of movement.

So far CCP has failed to "move" at all in regards to the Phoenix.

My understanding is, they think any buff to the Phoenix would make it overpowered against targets with multiple webs/target painters on them.

I don't think the "problem" is the Phoenix at all but rather webs and target painters.

Once these are properly balanced (harder and harder as they give more ships bonuses for these mods, doh!) then we can have a proper discussion of ways to move forward with our favorite beloved if under appreciated Dreadnaught.

Either that, or just add 5m/s to the explosion velocity and reduce explosion radius by 5m and see what happens. Wait a couple months, see how it goes and do it again. Once you get to the "OP point" just back it off to the previous iteration. Could probably be done in a couple weeks on the test server if they could move fast enough. Unfortunately it seems to take CCP weeks to act on even the slightest bit of information.

I would like the idea of giving the capital missile users a role against capitals, or only super capitals. Give them a 100% Damagebonus against this shipclass and let it be weak against smaller Ships.
This should be possible considering that CCP did the opposite with titans by reducing their damage against Subcapitals

Absolutely wrong. This does not help the Phoenix against other capitals or structures. And unless you make the boost really huge, the Moros and Naglfar will still be superior at blapping subcaps. And frankly, I don't think we need dreads to be any better at the blap game.

The RCML idea is also awful, for the same reasons.