Player Features and Ideas Discussion

There has been lots of discussion about high sec suicide gankers and high sec suicide ganking. Cheap ships are used to create losses for capsuleers who live in high sec.

Here are some ideas how high sec could be more safe but not make it too safe.

1. Security status loss. Security status loss could be tied to actually killing someones ship/capsule without kill rights. Security status loss could be higher in solar systems with high security rating. Killing someone in 1.0 brings bigger security status loss than killing someone in 0.9 and so on.

2. Concord loyalty points. In faction warfare capsuleers can get loyalty points as bounty payment if they kill opposite faction soldier. Similar system could work here. High sec suicide gankers who get below -5 security status could be permanently bountied by Concord. You could get Concord loyalty points as payment for killing capsuleer with -5 security status or lower. To get out of this permanent bounty you need to raise your security status to above -5 security status. Amount of loyalty points gained is tied to kill mail value which is same as with faction warfare loyalty points gain.

3. More kill rights from high sec killing. If you kill capsuleer without kill rights in 1.0 sec victim could receive not one but 3 kill rights that can be sold. 0.5 - 0.9 sec could bring 2 kill rights and low sec stays as it is. This would bring victims more chance to cover their losses.

4. You could also get security status for killing capsuleer with -5 security status or lower. Amount of security status gained would be based on kill mail value.

Comments are welcome for my ideas.

1) Would just encourage more ganking in the places where it already happens

2) You have no idea what game you're playing, do you? Did you stop for a moment to consider how this would be abused.. and then farmed to oblivion?

3) Yeah, this one will be abused for more ISK too. Gankers don't really care if there are killrights on them anyway, do they?

4) So basically what you're saying is that if I want to get +10 sec status, all I have to do is get an alt to -5 or lower and then repeatedly kill/pod them?

Double plastic wrap, best wrap.

Confirmed. Gankers will never gank industrials/haulers with double-wrapped contents. It's just not worth the gamble.

So each gank op should have a dedicated km whore who's job it is to ping each gank ship (either once they go GCC or before, depending on specifics), recouping significant amounts of value in the form of CONCORD LP.

Congrats, you just made ganking cheaper.


Anyway,



Why in the world do you think this is a problem?

You ever tried ganking someone in hisec?

Thought so.

Heh... nope. We use neutral alts (or very good friends) that are unaffiliated with our ganking characters. They pick the targets, get a warp in, and then scoop the loot (which turns them suspect to everyone in the game so they have to move fast).
They never take part in the actual gank (so their security status never drops).

The gankers themselves are usually at a tactical safespot just off grid... bouncing around between safes to avoid the Faction Police... or just sitting in their pods next to the ships they are about to use (which have been conveniently dropped off at the safespot by a "neutral party").


As far as tags go... NO ONE wants to spend 200 to 300 mil [on tags and CONCORD fees] to raise their security status if they are just going to bring it back down to -10 again (unless they are filthy rich). Those that do use it are "weekend warriors" and not the "professionals" (who simply don't care).

So really... nothing happens except you make it more expensive for the "casual" crowd.



Stop being anal retentive. You knew exactly who I meant. I was simply trying to avoid pointing fingers and falling into the "grrr Goons" cliche.

As far as the closing that exploit is concerned... the side affect of was that LP for PvP became pointless. I get ~200 LP for killing a destroyer with Tech 2 fittings... < 40 LP for killing a Frigate with Tech 1 fittings.
Since gankers try to use the cheapest ships they can... you won't get much out of it.

Oh yeah... and those neutral alts I was talking about earlier... the ones helping the gankers? They can apply a little damage or Ewar on their dying comrades and get LP on top of whatever loot they scoop.
Congrats... you have more made ganking just a little more rewarding (poor rewards, but rewards nonetheless)!

My own ideas would be:

A new type of local security status where extremely persistent offenders are rewarded with a permanent criminal tag in area of crimes, Penalties could be:

-1 = Upon entering said constellation/region the 'perp' will receive suspect flag.
-2.5 = Naval police, station and gate sentries will open fire.
-5 = Non-dockable stations. (militia get this, why not persistent criminals?)
-10 = Non-usable gates.

And the addition of safety regulators on all capsuleer vessels, ones which can only be bypassed through a bribery mechanic, or through some type of pirate rig/module available through pirate LP stores.

As for the suggestion of fitting ships properly, I'll consider that should I ever decide to buy a freighter :P

personally i like the orca alot, as a houler, its a very versatile ship, and you have actually more tank then a frieghter, and still a very deasent cargo space, and ship sapce to houl ships around, sure its not as big as a freighter but in my opinion its more for your ISKs due to its flexibility

The Goblin has thrown in the towel...