Science & Industry

Hi,

I've been mining with 4 miners, orca and freighter for some time. The ISK is okey, but much of it goes to pay for accounts and I cannot really afk or do anything else because every 30 seconds to 1 minute I hear "The asteroid has depleted" and go search for the character that produced that sound. I'll quit EVE if I continue doing that. Emptying ore, tractor-beaming and transporting takes time too.

I used to play WoW where I was very rich by doing enchanting and crafting jewels. It was not really hard after you've build an excel sheet. I was wondering if turning my miners to manufacturers (do I need all 4 of them?) and building up a POS will make the same ISK with less manual work and more brain effort instead. Can manufacturing be more ISK rewarding? I've tried station trading in Amarr, but you pretty much have to update your prices every 5-30 minutes to be successful. I don't want to devote half of my life to that.

Is it feasible to earn isk by running unautomated multibox miners? What are the alternatives to funding life in EVE? I want to PvP and buy expensive ships but earning ISK takes all my time currently. I'd like to hear some success/fail stories about mining. I'm really lacking the general idea of what is worth my time and what is not.

Fly safe.

There are multiple ways to make money. You have to find what you enjoy doing. I like to train people into becoming hardenend lowseccers, so my current occupation is CEO. My money I make by station trading in Jita. Updating once a day is enough for me, just dont play the 0.01 ISK game, thats wasted time.

I wonder, If you like spreadsheeting and creating stuff, why did you not start doing it from the beginning? Research the market for items you can produce, and that are worth producing. Forget about ship hulls. The market is tough. Build some unusual items, that move a bit slower.

Manufacturing can take you every waking second to do....or you can make stuff very rarely and just manage your build times.

I know what you are saying but I think doing multiple things is better than just one. I can pay for accounts with plex by manufacturing alone and it's not that time consuming.

Also, maybe look into PI. It can be it's own interesting mini-game.

EVE is an MMO, find a good corp and learn from them. I doubt AFK mining in HS is going to make you rich. There is so much to do in EVE and making isk isn't that hard. Even a new player in a decent corp can make a ton of isk without making it another job.

Go take your multiboxing mining setup out to some safe 0.0

Or stop trying to fund all your accounts with PLEX. Maybe fund your main with RL money and your alts with PLEX.

I mine with an Orca and 4 miners and make pretty descent isk/hour doing it (average about 100M).

1. Not sure why you're using a freighter since you don't really have many miners. You would be better off setting up a small POS + large ship assembly array (hold 15M M3) that you only online while you're mining. Align orca to POS, have miners each start a new cycle, warp Orca. When orca lands start up boosts again, dump ore in the POS and once the miners cycles complete warp back to fleet. This will free up the freighter pilot to mine and increase your isk/hour. With 5 miners + orca you'll only need to haul to POS every 18ish minutes.

2. Use survey scanners. Set each miner to one type of ore (or one to the standard ores while the others mine the 5% and 10% ores). Sort your survey window by amount and have all other ore types collapsed that the specific miner dosen't mine (kernite miner only has kernite related open, etc.) This lets you easily see how much ore is left for each miner and know if you need to do partial cycles (very important in highsec).

3. If you mine alot I would really suggest paying for isboxer. I use it for mining and its fantastic for one simple reason. I have mine setup so 2 buttons on my mouse will scroll though client windows. One click and I can go orca miner miner miner miner etc. So what I do is once a cycle completes hit mouse button and then F4 (survey scanner) do this 4 times then dump ore into orca and look at the survey window to see if I need a partial cycle or not and repeat. I also use a 2nd monitor on my laptop so I can see which client had a strip miner end a cycle.

So overall by getting rid or the useless freighter and watching for partial cycles you'll increase your yield dramatically. With highsec mining you get a partial cycle about every 3 cycles. If you add this up that means you're making about 20% less ore/hour then if you don't use one.

Lots of people play eve to make isk and that is the group of people that are doing it wrong and minimising the fun of eve.
Generally in eve the things that make the most isk involve spreadsheets, brain power, effort or risk.

If you like spreadsheets and research manufacturing is awesome.

If u like brain power then scamming or market pvp might be your thing. (some would say minimal difference anyway)

Exploration and setting up regional markets requires effort and sometimes risk (if done in low /null)

wormholes are effort and risk.

Manufacturing , trading and PI are all fairly passive ways to make isk.

Incursions are good isk for low effort and are kinda out of whack.

The easiest lowest risk stuff is high sec mining and missions. Very little effort, little brain power, little risk. lowest rewards in game. This is how it should be.

There are many great guides to various aspects of the game many of them written by the people who posted above me.

I am a multiboxer. Mining makes a fair amount of isk in a day with my setup:

8 miners, max yield Mackinaws (3% mining implant) T1 strip miners (Ammo is a pain in the ass beyond 4 characters and a waste of skill training)
2 rorquals (1 boosting with implant, 2nd is a hauler)

I also have a PVP toon which i sometimes sit in the belt and a titan-in-training toon running boosts for shields.

If i am not picky about what i mine (in nullsec with an industry upgraded system) i make about 200-300m isk an hour, 400-500 if i cherry pick; note that this is dependent on if you have a buyer, my corp buys and builds stuff and we adjust prices based on what is needed, IE we have a 45% higher buy order for Mex than Jita because of the lack in nullsec (10% if jumping it in). Ice will make more per hour if you get access to dark glitter, which i use to do until the changes and an alliance change shortly there after.

But i do not just mine with my accounts. I also setup my accounts to do combat too:

Bombers, Oracles, Guardians, Smartbombing battleships, and soon Dreadnoughts (I am currently only missing the capital and dreadnought skill books). later i will get them into triage carriers and probably zealots.

if you want pure isk making you can focus on researching missions and PI, easy multiboxing (pi is now a little harder to multibox from what it use to be). I personally plan charge my alliance/coalition 1 billion per drop of my dreadnoughts, and 200m per siege cycle after the first 2. If they do not want it, they can miss out of the 100k DPS (before tower resists).

I do not mine to make isk, I do market work for my money (importing/exporting/investing). Also mining is slow, which is great for me as I am usually at home relaxing from work.

I am a sov holding alliance but before when my corp was in an unstable position i did rent for a while. A 1 billion a month rental bill is easy to pay.

I also utilize all my alts for a total of 21 neutral cynos that span most of low and NPC 0.0 to assist in corp or alliance force projection and mobility.

Other money-making ideas here: https://wiki.eveonline.com/wiki/Making_ISK