Player Features and Ideas Discussion

This is a bad idea for all of the reasons you haven't mentioned. wagh my tristan can't tackle a cerb! jeeze look the reason this is bad is the... 40 SECOND RELOAD TIMER! Who the hell wants to wait 40 seconds to reload their primary offensive weapons system?!?!

Well I guess there's no idea like a bad idea. :(((((((( sad face

Bringing solo back (against the wall to shoot it in the face with terrible balancing)

This man speaks the truth.

Please dont give him ideas like this, 20sec is also horrible. Just dont f****** touch the weapons reload/outgoing dps mechanics, this conception called "ancillary" good for tanking, end of story..! For the love of god, i imagine the moment i fit Ancillary Medium Hybrid Turret or similar to my ship (bcoz this new RLML more likely Ancillary LML than anything else..)

If you got the command from above like "nerf that sh**" than do it at the good old ways, reduce rof, dmg or ship bonuses, anything but not this way. jeeez

This actually sounds like fun. It would allow for hit-and-run strategies which could be very valuable for small gangs against larger enemy fleets.

The issue with switching damage types could be avoided by making the reload time depend on the number of missiles left in the launcher, i.e. when the launcher is full, you get the normal 10 seconds, when it's half-empty you get 30 seconds and when it's empty you get the full 50 seconds etc.

At first i thought this was going to be horrible. But the more i thought about it and adapted, the more i realize you can almost consider this a buff if you know how to use it.

Especially for what i fly, the Scythe FI will be even more beastly now. Split launchers, even with just 2 launchers and drones, i'll still be around 200dps, enough to easily maintain consistent pressure without any significant dips. And, if it looks as though things are going to go south, go balls out and overload both racks and blast your way out. Know what i get dps wise out of my scythe now? ~250 dps. I should easily be able to overload into 300+ dps with these changes. And so far, no actual missile dynamic's are changing, so i'll have missiles that fire faster and hit just as hard. With just 2 launchers i'll get sustained ~200 dps with the bonus of WTF overheat dps for if you need to power through. And for those complaining about bigger targets, i don't use RLML to knowingly fight BC's/BS/HACS, i'd use scram/web HAM's if i even decided to do it. With RLML, If you can't kill what YOU"VE decided to engage within 15-20 missiles, then you've picked the wrong launcher. That may be the point they're trying to make here. This will still be viable for cruiser killing, just at a slightly slower pace if you know what you're doing. This is good for the active/speed tank crowd, as normally our booster's/sig will last longer than their buffer, so the slight decline in dps isn't nearly as significant.

I think that RLML have always been a niche` module, and that now they've become the primary launcher for most people. Which isn't what its for. Granted, the judgement to change the dynamics of RLML and not rebuff HML is alittle counterproductive. But, RLML aren't meant to be the "best" launcher. Yes, HML needs a big buff, but if the launchers were already fixed, how would you feel about this update then? What if this is easier to modify the code now, and rebuff in the next patch/update?

Some suggestions perhaps?
Could you offer a rig that gives maybe +2 to charges? Calibration equivalent to DPS bonus rigs, that way it would limit i believe to +4, maybe 6 on some ships? Or a skill book that adds +1 capacity per skill, limiting to 5 total. Either of these would help give people maybe a smidge more flexability when selecting targets.

maybe a skill that reduces reload time by 2-4%?

Again with those bonus' you'd have to sacrifice either time or fitting on the ship, which helps to add more flexability for pilots but doesn't break the goal/dynamic you're trying to achieve.

I am a small gang/solo pilot in FW. I have been a pure missile user for 6months since I started this game and this idea is terrible.

Reasons:

1) Missiles don't apply instant damage. Missiles have to fly to their target, and with a faster ROF you will have more volleys in the air when the target dies. Meaning you have even LESS overall damage and DPS if you happen to be shooting at more than one target.

2) Less overall DPS. Who cares about burst damage if you can't kill the target? RLML will have 20-30% less dps than they have now.

3) Selectable damage types. I can't emphasize this enough. Switching to Faction missiles against Frigates, then switching to T2 Fury missiles against that Arty Thrasher, then switching to FoFs when the enemy uncloaks a Falcon to still apply DPS anscare off the tackler. There would be no reason to carry more than one missile type. Even if you start switching damage type as soon as you see them on long-scan, they'll be shooting at you before you finish reloading

4) Take a watch and count out 40 seconds. It's long. Now try playing Eve, and try to stay within long point range on a target for 40 seconds while he knows you're out of ammo. It takes forever.

5) No other viable cruiser missile system. Links ruin HAM and HML damage application, and while Links are still part of Eve, these weapon systems will be useless.

I really can't believe I'm hearing this after putting almost all my SP so far in missiles.

Interesting approach to balance here. I like it, it's a burst weapon that's useful in short engagements without breaking the long-term dps output of those ships. Thumbs up!

I like how this has become a sh!t avalanche. ROFL.


However there's some exaggeration on how "bad" these changes are and what a Cerberus or Caracal will be capable of destroying before having to reload.


Again, a caracal and certainly a Cerberus will be capable of destroying certain shield-attack battlecruisers, shield cruisers and ALL destroyers and frigates before having to reload with THESE CHANGES. Including exploding setups like a single AAR-Omen Navy issue and sh!t.

With that said. Rapid light missiles are fine as they are now so I'm not sure why this "change" was needed. Was this just about the new rapid heavy missile laucher or something else? Anyway, heavy missile and heavy assault missile are still viable (as long as webs are applied like always on cruisers and below) and have thier place. Maybe the rapid heavy launcher would screw cruise and siege missiles v0v but meh!

Anyway, if you do this "change" then reduce the reload time to around 20 - 30 seconds and reduce the rate of fire respectively or keep rate of fire as is v0v

Oh! Yeah, maybe rapid light missile lauchers range should take a hit.

No

goddamn

So 1st point CCP Rise if I were u i'd be losing my mind wanting to scream r-tard all day

Anyways whatever good if a caracal can't dunk another cruiser if it fits frig-killing weapons

If the RLML stuff was like 21 charges and 30 second reload i think it'd be a very attractive solo/small gang option to pwn tackle/frig gangs

do it