Player Features and Ideas Discussion

If you want all the work you put into the Cerb to go to use in any large scale way, you won't implement this. Period.

Ignoring solo/small gang altogether (not my thing, will not attempt to speak to it), as a theorycrafter/FC in nullsec, there's no way you can give that much downtime considering 1500 man fights and hours upon hours of 10% TiDi and expect anyone to use it.

The RLML Cerb is interesting in its current iteration because reload only shaves off about 5% DPS (if that). If you do this.. well, no one will use them, at least not in large nullsec fleets. Hell, most people will point at this and say, "Hey look, another reason not to use missiles in large-scale PvP."

I like the idea of a dedicated anti-(one tier down) weapon platform, and this definitely is an interesting way to balance these two modules . . .

The numbers also seem to be about right because any less and you dont do enough damage to knock down a cruiser, any more and you risk affecting suicide ganking.

Right now, as the numbers stand, concord takes you out in 30 seconds, the best ship to use is porbably going to be the caracal because the drake doesnt get a light missile bonus and the Raven is going to be too expensive.

Fury missiles with 3x BCS and all level 5 skills do 159.5 damage per missile, and the caracal will have a ROF of 2.46 with the new RLML meaning it will get off 12 missiles before dieing.

12 missiles * 159.5 damage per missile * 5 missile launchers = 9,570 damage per ship

Thats well below the 11k volley 1400mm arty tornadoes can achieve and they each get off 3 shots for a total of 34.5k damage per ship

now of course arty tornadoes are quite a bit more expensive but theyre not 3.5x more expensive, also you'd have to coordinate less people with the tornadoes . . . IMHO theyre not as good.

I believe that the true purpose of this weapon is being misunderstood. From what I can see, these launchers are designed as more of a defensive weapon than a primary weapon. I think the idea is that you can put one or two of these on ships like the stabber or megathron navy issue, which have 2/1 utility launcher slots on them currently serving no purpose, and then use these launchers as a defensive weapon against frigates or cruisers that can't be properly engaged with your primary weapon system, similar to how drones and smart bombs are used on most contemporary fits. Honestly, I think this is a great idea.

There's way too much aluminum foil in this thread. The proposed change effects two weapon systems (one of which is still very much on the drawing board). The only aspects that may need to be adjusted are the reload time or ammunition capacity. Either a 30-second reload time (instead of 40 seconds) or a 50% ammunition reduction (instead of 75%). So instead of just dispensing with the idea outright, how about we look at a few suggestions to help refine it.

Neuts will be better for that most of time. But CURRENT rapids are already enough to make t1 frigates get away, ewven if you have 2 unbonused ones.

Now they wil NOT be scared anymore. BEcause you cannot kill a punisher with the load of 2 of these launchers!!


Its NERF evenon that scenario !!!!


Peopel need to realize.. DPS is MEANINGLESS IF YOU CANNOT REACH DESTINATION!!


What is the best way to travel 200km? A Rocket taht goes 2 thousand km/h but can fly 4 seconds.. or a car that goes 100 km/h but can go for 6 hours if needed?

The design shoudl jsut be less extreme. Keep rapids on a dps scale between current and the proposed values (rof time) But also do not nerf the capacity so much.


Extreme designs almsot NEVER worked in eve (They floped misreably or became overpowered).

I've gotten like 500 kills solo/small gang with an RLML Caracal, and I honestly like this change! Now it seems a bit extreme atm in terms of shooting time compared to reloading, maybe adding 3 charges to the RLML and decreasing reload times to 30-33 seconds or something (or even introduce a skill for speeding up reloads ) and you've got a stew going.

I think having Rapid launchers be just different in terms of weapons systems sounds cool. May take some tweaking to find the sweet spot between **** and useless but I think this is pretty interesting.

Maybe.. but they will NOT unnerf the reload without taking elsewhere....

This change will effect rate of fire bonused ships to a greater degree than damage bonused ships. 25 seconds of uptime followed by 40 seconds of reloading will be a lot more anoying than 50 seconds followed by 40. Would it be possible to have rate of fire ship bonuses also effect either the magazine size or the reload time?

Also, one of the things that makes missle boats different than projectile boats is the ammo selection considerations, the long reload will make switching ammo during pvp much less attractive thus removing a lot of tactical choices. The idea behind this change is interesting but the implementation is less so.

lets summ up the problems:

- Rof reduces active time
- ammo switch problem

there would be ways to fix this the problem is both would be to much effort for not much yield.

-rof affecting clipsize(highly unnatural)
-switching ammo without reloading it (would not be equal to normal launcher mechanism if you thing it through, just not as bad as proposed)