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Being a Good Guy in New Eden.
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Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
#41 - 2013-11-08 19:31:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Jarod Garamonde
Chribba wrote:
There's lots of good people I'm sure, but not many of them has the strength or time to show it as the way to get the label is very long.

/c


To be honest, I think some PvP folks have got themselves stamped with a "bad" label, unjustly.
I'm not even being goofball, right now. I feel that if you're in a lowsec system, you should accept the risk. I assume that most of the people who live in those solar systems are there because they don't mind being shot, or at least have determined the risk is worth the potential reward.
You do run into the occasional "poor sport", but overall, I have noticed a lot of pilots out in the "less desirable" areas of space have the same attitude towards fighting that I do... that being that it's fun.

So, indeed, yes... my Ferox does honestly just want to be friends. The fact that it's melting someone's tank doesn't change that truth.
I don't think there should be any distinction drawn between a player who shoots other people, and a player who mines asteroids. Both can add equal value to the community, and both can be either good or bad.

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
Leviathan84
Lynwood Park Industries
#42 - 2013-11-08 19:39:19 UTC
Yes, the next time there is a live event YOU can actually get 10-20 people together and help them understand how to participate in a way better than "Follow blob, warp to zero on every gate, and blindly jump into the shark infested waters of nullsec."
Richard Ramlrez
Doomheim
#43 - 2013-11-08 19:44:07 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
The most valuable thing you can own in this game is trust.



Indeed.
Jythier Smith
BGG Wolves
#44 - 2013-11-08 19:55:58 UTC
The anonymous nature of this game, especially with alternate characters, allow for everyone to act like jerks pretty much all of the time if they want.

Joining a corporation just to gain trust and then steal everything is more fun than gaming with people you can trust not to do that for some people. I'm looking forward to the day someone will show that trust in me, give me access to everything, and then everyday after that I can specifically not take it. Why? Because I value the relationship with my corpmates as more important than ISK or BPs. Unless they're Tech 2 BPOs. Then, they're mine and nobody's going to stop me.
Jythier Smith
BGG Wolves
#45 - 2013-11-08 19:56:55 UTC
Richard Ramlrez wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
The most valuable thing you can own in this game is trust.



Indeed.


Right, 'cuz you can trade it in for ISK and BPs!
Shiva Darksun
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#46 - 2013-11-08 20:06:24 UTC
Years ago, before I left EVE, I was helping a corp mate with a "life-in-a-box" transport off a region which was assaulted by PL. We ended up in a WH system and traveled to another, and so on, and at some point we entered yet another WH system and were greeted in local by someone.

He said "hi there!" and we were pretty sure that was the end of us. I was in a CovOps ship and my mate had a.... a... Geez, I don't remember. An Orca or something. So we had no firepower or any defensive capabilities to speak of, and he was carrying over 15B worth of stuff.

So we talked to this guy and turned out he was monitoring the WH for neutrals or enemies. We told him our story and he offered to lead us to a WH exit to lowsec; we suspected betrayal but decided to trust him. He not only led us out, but he helped us go all the way to hisec.

He was a good guy. Sadly, I can't remember his name but we were impressed.

But that's the downside of being a good guy; people remember you for far less time than if you destroy their ships.
Jythier Smith
BGG Wolves
#47 - 2013-11-08 20:08:40 UTC
Shiva Darksun wrote:
Years ago, before I left EVE, I was helping a corp mate with a "life-in-a-box" transport off a region which was assaulted by PL. We ended up in a WH system and traveled to another, and so on, and at some point we entered yet another WH system and were greeted in local by someone.

He said "hi there!" and we were pretty sure that was the end of us. I was in a CovOps ship and my mate had a.... a... Geez, I don't remember. An Orca or something. So we had no firepower or any defensive capabilities to speak of, and he was carrying over 15B worth of stuff.

So we talked to this guy and turned out he was monitoring the WH for neutrals or enemies. We told him our story and he offered to lead us to a WH exit to lowsec; we suspected betrayal but decided to trust him. He not only led us out, but he helped us go all the way to hisec.

He was a good guy. Sadly, I can't remember his name but we were impressed.

But that's the downside of being a good guy; people remember you for far less time than if you destroy their ships.


Judging by my experience with WH guys, he was so relieved you weren't there to destroy his entire life that he helped you. :P
Shiva Darksun
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#48 - 2013-11-08 20:17:38 UTC
No, they had an established system there and it's very easy to close a WH; I think he was there as a scout to instantiate PvP but not against helpless, non-aggressive travelers.
KuroVolt
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2013-11-08 20:44:38 UTC
Why dont you come join us in CVA down in Providence, OP?

Probably the closest thing you will find to *good guys* in EVE.

We give people the benefit of the doubt and allow them to mine our asteroid fields and shoot our Sansha, while we attempt to protect them from pirates to the best of our abilities.
All we ask in return is that they return the favour and dont shoot anyone either.

We have seen alot of elite PVP and pirate empires come and go, yet with our good guy playstyle, we have endured nearly 10 years now.

BoBwins Law: As a discussion/war between two large nullsec entities grows longer, the probability of one comparing the other to BoB aproaches near certainty.
Jythier Smith
BGG Wolves
#50 - 2013-11-08 21:15:35 UTC
KuroVolt wrote:
Why dont you come join us in CVA down in Providence, OP?

Probably the closest thing you will find to *good guys* in EVE.

We give people the benefit of the doubt and allow them to mine our asteroid fields and shoot our Sansha, while we attempt to protect them from pirates to the best of our abilities.
All we ask in return is that they return the favour and dont shoot anyone either.

We have seen alot of elite PVP and pirate empires come and go, yet with our good guy playstyle, we have endured nearly 10 years now.


You almost just recruited me.
Black Canary Jnr
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#51 - 2013-11-08 22:13:02 UTC
KuroVolt wrote:
Why dont you come join us in CVA down in Providence, OP?

Probably the closest thing you will find to *good guys* in EVE.

We give people the benefit of the doubt and allow them to mine our asteroid fields and shoot our Sansha, while we attempt to protect them from pirates to the best of our abilities.
All we ask in return is that they return the favour and dont shoot anyone either.

We have seen alot of elite PVP and pirate empires come and go, yet with our good guy playstyle, we have endured nearly 10 years now.


This, except if you are any good at pvp join sev3rance :P hohohoho

If you're interested have a listen to aralis' talk in the e-uni archives, http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/EVE_University_Class_Library
Kinis Deren
Mosquito Squadron
D0GS OF WAR
#52 - 2013-11-08 23:59:45 UTC
Interesting & thought provoking post OP +1

Other than the previously mentioned CVA or anti-pirate groups, I'm struggling to think of any other groups (outside of hi sec) that could be described as aiming for a 'good guy' group play style.
Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2013-11-09 01:47:42 UTC
I don't really understand OP. Title is "Being a good guy", but then OP refuses to define what "good" is to her. Some instances of "good" have been mentioned, but no concrete definition of good is to be had.

I like to think of myself as a good guy in New Eden. I help miners learn about tanking their 200m exhumers and watching local so that they don't have to learn painful lessons with their battleships and such later on. A couple of weeks ago a couple of guys came in my wh system in a Mackinaw and a Drake. Not understanding the mechanics of whs I guess, they didn't realize they collapsed the thing with their last trip in. Since they didn't have a probe launcher between them, I gave them an exit from the wh lest they be trapped forever. I cherish their corpses and the time we spent together.

Sure there was that time a Probe was just sitting in the ore anom, not even cloaked, and I pinned him with my Loki while my friend warped in so we could both get in on the km. But after scooping his corpse we noticed he was only a few days old. So we convo'd him, gave him some tips (stay out of whs for awhile) and gave him some isk to cover the next few Probes he might lose.

Am I not good?

[i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."
Johan Civire
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#54 - 2013-11-09 02:01:11 UTC
Well lol OP thats a good point....

hope to see if there is any chance for ingame to be a "nice" guy.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#55 - 2013-11-09 02:21:51 UTC
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:
I don't really understand OP. Title is "Being a good guy", but then OP refuses to define what "good" is to her. Some instances of "good" have been mentioned, but no concrete definition of good is to be had.

I like to think of myself as a good guy in New Eden. I help miners learn about tanking their 200m exhumers and watching local so that they don't have to learn painful lessons with their battleships and such later on. A couple of weeks ago a couple of guys came in my wh system in a Mackinaw and a Drake. Not understanding the mechanics of whs I guess, they didn't realize they collapsed the thing with their last trip in. Since they didn't have a probe launcher between them, I gave them an exit from the wh lest they be trapped forever. I cherish their corpses and the time we spent together.

Sure there was that time a Probe was just sitting in the ore anom, not even cloaked, and I pinned him with my Loki while my friend warped in so we could both get in on the km. But after scooping his corpse we noticed he was only a few days old. So we convo'd him, gave him some tips (stay out of whs for awhile) and gave him some isk to cover the next few Probes he might lose.

Am I not good?


Some lessons are more valuable than mere isk.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
#56 - 2013-11-09 02:29:45 UTC
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:

Am I not good?



Sorry, mate.... but that bit just made me think of "AM I NOT MERCIFUL?!?!?!?!"

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#57 - 2013-11-09 02:35:52 UTC
Richard Ramlrez wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
The most valuable thing you can own in this game is trust.



Indeed.


No, like for RL, the most valuable asset is time. Trust comes with time (and effort) and is the second most valuable asset.

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#58 - 2013-11-09 02:39:36 UTC
Kinis Deren wrote:
Interesting & thought provoking post OP +1

Other than the previously mentioned CVA or anti-pirate groups, I'm struggling to think of any other groups (outside of hi sec) that could be described as aiming for a 'good guy' group play style.


There are plenty of good guys. My alts have been with truly fantastic guys trusting a (back in time) newbie (me) with lots of stuff, gifting him tons of goodies and ships and even teachings.

Plenty of people willing to teach valuable stuff both in game and in written (tutorials, software) form.

Even I, try doing a tiny good by managing a charity. An in game => RL charity standing since 2011 in the cold, harsh EvE universe.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#59 - 2013-11-09 03:47:35 UTC
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:
Am I not good?

Sorry, mate.... but that bit just made me think of "AM I NOT MERCIFUL?!?!?!?!"

are you not entertained

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SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#60 - 2013-11-09 05:26:31 UTC
I'm a good guy in eve online.