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Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
#81 - 2013-11-08 11:14:17 UTC
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:

Shadow Cartel was there before you attacked the POCO, Hulemand. We noticed you 'shooting' at each other in an attempt to bait us out. We also noticed that you all appeared to be shooting at each other with one gun each.


Not really...? Shadow Cartel weren't on the field until your second POCO was in 40% shield. I understood actually undocking seemed to be an issue for TSF pilots in Reynire that night, but this could've been checked with a simple local check.

Quote:
...not break the repping power of 19 guardians...


Couldn't you have inflated that to a nice round number, like 20 or 25? Or does this make it more believable?
  • Leopold Caine, Domination Malakim

Angels are never far...

Stillwater Corporation Recruitment Open - Angel Cartel Bloc
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#82 - 2013-11-08 11:30:58 UTC
Leopold Caine wrote:
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:

Shadow Cartel was there before you attacked the POCO, Hulemand. We noticed you 'shooting' at each other in an attempt to bait us out. We also noticed that you all appeared to be shooting at each other with one gun each.


Not really...? Shadow Cartel weren't on the field until your second POCO was in 40% shield. I understood actually undocking seemed to be an issue for TSF pilots in Reynire that night, but this could've been checked with a simple local check.

Quote:
...not break the repping power of 19 guardians...


Couldn't you have inflated that to a nice round number, like 20 or 25? Or does this make it more believable?


Leo, I know you have this problem with reality, but we were sitting in system and we know what was present. If you don't know how to look at local or Dscan, then that seems to be your problem, not mine.
Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
#83 - 2013-11-08 11:38:35 UTC
I love it when the lower sections of human civilization keep clashing publicly. Means that those of us watching from the upper lounges get to cheer every time something explodes. Whoever loses, we win. Go git'em. Whoever.

Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.
Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
#84 - 2013-11-08 11:39:27 UTC
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:


Leo, I know you have this problem with reality, but we were sitting in system and we know what was present. If you don't know how to look at local or Dscan, then that seems to be your problem, not mine.


I believe the only person with a reality problem here is you. You were sitting in system and in the station. If I saw Shadow Cartel on field before your POCO went down, I'm pretty sure I'd memorize something like that.
Snuffbox were there first, we had a skirmish with them, then deagressed. Your POCO on planet II died, then your POCO at planet VI got to 40% shield and Shadow Cartel warped in, then et cetera et cetera, you already read Joshua's report.

I appreciate your whole little campaign, but as a rule of thumb, a person on field has a bit better view than a person sitting in dock with said thumb up their... well, whatever you have in the Nation.
  • Leopold Caine, Domination Malakim

Angels are never far...

Stillwater Corporation Recruitment Open - Angel Cartel Bloc
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#85 - 2013-11-08 11:40:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Tiberious Thessalonia
Leopold Caine wrote:
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:


Leo, I know you have this problem with reality, but we were sitting in system and we know what was present. If you don't know how to look at local or Dscan, then that seems to be your problem, not mine.


I believe the only person with a reality problem here is you. You were sitting in system and in the station. If I saw Shadow Cartel on field before your POCO went down, I'm pretty sure I'd memorize something like that.
Snuffbox were there first, we had a skirmish with them, then deagressed. Your POCO on planet II died, then your POCO at planet VI got to 40% shield and Shadow Cartel warped in, then et cetera et cetera, you already read Joshua's report.

I appreciate your whole little campaign, but as a rule of thumb, a person on field has a bit better view than a person sitting in dock with said thumb up their... well, whatever you have in the Nation.


Yeah, okay, Leo.

Caine's law in action.

Edit: Its been clarified that it was indeed snuffbox you were fake shooting. So my apologies for that!
Iwan Terpalen
Doomheim
#86 - 2013-11-08 12:10:03 UTC
Leopold Caine wrote:

Couldn't you have inflated that to a nice round number, like 20 or 25? Or does this make it more believable?


Who cares whether there were 19, 5, or 50, really? Is there some kind of shame attached to-

Wait a minute, are you trying to whip up pointless controversy to draw away attention? Like going full Coreli and fitting stabs on a combat ship, or something?
Hulemand
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#87 - 2013-11-08 12:29:29 UTC
Iwan Terpalen wrote:


Wait a minute, are you trying to whip up pointless controversy to draw away attention? Like going full Coreli and fitting stabs on a combat ship, or something?


Aah, referring once more to our structure bashing battle cruisers, that - without support might I add - managed to reinforce and destroy objectives even when vastly outnumbered. I take it the reason you ever heard about this, it because we not only achieved our tactical objectives, but at the same time managed to **** off our opponent at the time. Which I suppose caused them to ***** rather a lot about it afterwards - hence you knowing about it from their point of view.


To the present day none have been able to actually to make me a valid argument for what is wrong with the tactic we used at the time.

And before you start, let me add that only a moron would fit stabs on a ship if he wish to target anything that moves.

Admiral Hulemand Core Operations Overseer
Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
#88 - 2013-11-08 12:44:25 UTC
I wonder why Pyre keeps getting their knickers in a twist against Angels, while damn near supporting the Sansha in these public forums? It's almost as if there's a connection there somewhere. That'd be silly though, wouldn't it?

Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.
Hulemand
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#89 - 2013-11-08 12:50:25 UTC
Jinari Otsito wrote:
I wonder why Pyre keeps getting their knickers in a twist against Angels, while damn near supporting the Sansha in these public forums? It's almost as if there's a connection there somewhere. That'd be silly though, wouldn't it?


It wouldn't be the first time you hear about Sansha mind control ...

Admiral Hulemand Core Operations Overseer
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#90 - 2013-11-08 13:07:39 UTC
Jinari Otsito wrote:
I wonder why Pyre keeps getting their knickers in a twist against Angels, while damn near supporting the Sansha in these public forums? It's almost as if there's a connection there somewhere. That'd be silly though, wouldn't it?


I thought Stillwater weren't Angels. Or are they Angels? Who knows, who cares? Deserved derision towards jaijii remains deserved derision towards jaijii.

Affected loyalties mean little to me where a chance at mockery exists.

In addition, as far as I'm concerned TS-F though are just another capsuleer pirate organization operating in Placid with the affectations of wanting to be part of Kuvakei's grand designs -- even though Sansha himself seems to despise capsuleers. However, they appear to be effective at what they do, so there's precious little to scorn unfortunately.

Oh, how about some obligatory hatred I suppose?

Curse you True Slave Foundations, you probably eat babies while fornicating with each other in a nanite bath. You all disgust me immensely.

Kurilaivonen|Concern
Desiderya
Blue Canary
Watch This
#91 - 2013-11-08 13:17:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Desiderya
Confirming mind control compelling me to take part in mocking the usage of WCS in combat operations.
But ain't it nice when you can say "your reputation precedes you, Coreli Corporation". Strictly awe-inspiring.

Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#92 - 2013-11-08 13:22:26 UTC
Desiderya wrote:
Confirming mind control.


Confirming I control Pyre Falcon with mind control technology I reverse engineered from Nation.

Kurilaivonen|Concern
Iwan Terpalen
Doomheim
#93 - 2013-11-08 13:22:41 UTC
Bleep boop bloop.
Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
#94 - 2013-11-08 13:24:14 UTC
Well that was a lot of buttons pushed by an idle speculation. That certainly cleared that up.

Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#95 - 2013-11-08 13:28:05 UTC
Jinari Otsito wrote:
Well that was a lot of buttons pushed by an idle speculation. That certainly cleared that up.


My Sansha mind control device has many buttons to push, indeed.

Kurilaivonen|Concern
Desiderya
Blue Canary
Watch This
#96 - 2013-11-08 13:30:48 UTC
Beep boop, son. Beep. Boop.

Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.
Nicole Graves
Anshar Incorporated
#97 - 2013-11-08 13:33:40 UTC
I thought the butter-craving and that weird itch was just the overtime I'd been doing, turns out it's mind control!
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#98 - 2013-11-08 13:39:37 UTC
Nicole Graves wrote:
I thought the butter-craving and that weird itch was just the overtime I'd been doing, turns out it's mind control!


Sometimes one needs to be reminded of an itch only another can scratch.

Kurilaivonen|Concern
Joshua Foiritain
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#99 - 2013-11-08 13:46:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Joshua Foiritain
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Joshua Foiritain wrote:
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
If I have any criticism of the enemy side, it is to say that they ought not to trust the people whom they blew up the carrier of an hour before, in the future, to be forgiving.[

We have no need for Shadow Cartel to be forgiving. The Angel Cartel informed us one of their fleets was under attack from a carrier so we lend a hand and destroyed it. If Shadow Cartel wants to avenge it they are welcome to do so.

Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
Looking at the recent combat records for Coreli corporation and their allies in the Reynire system is this a call to arms out of dubious philanthropy or simply sheer ineptitude?

The Reynire fight took place after this call and there was no ineptitude involved (Well apart from fielding Ashimmu's). We destroyed the TSF customs office after which scouts reported a Shadow Cartel fleet. As our primary purpose behind our low-sec campaign is training our pilots and new fleet commanders we decided to engage them.

After killing a rapier and losing a few tech 1 ships we ran into a stalemate with neither side being able to break each other logistics and as we only brought a very limited amount of strategic assets into the area we had no way of escalating while we knew Shadow Cartel could. So the call was made to pull out, abandon those tackled on field and save the rest. Sometimes you win, and sometimes you lose.

Unfortunately we forgot about actually replacing the TSF customs office so they sneakily dropped a new one. Oops


Shadow Cartel was there before you attacked the POCO, Hulemand. We noticed you 'shooting' at each other in an attempt to bait us out. We also noticed that you all appeared to be shooting at each other with one gun each.

We made the determination that you were working together, either through preplanned co-ordination or on the fly improvisation. We found this odd because you HAD just destroyed their carrier. Either Shadow Cartel was being forgiving in trying to get a fight, or you guys had just set up the most expensive misdirection campaign I have ever seen.

Regardless, we made a count of the ships on field arrayed between yourselves, Shadow Cartel, and Snuff Box, and determined that we could not break the repping power of 19 guardians without significantly more investment, so the the decision was made to let the POCO go and adapt to other tactics.

When you went off to shoot at another POCO, we put another up in the place of the one lost, at which point we learned that the Shadow Cartel fleet had begun shooting you in earnest. Then the so called 'good fights' started going up in local, and someone exclaimed that their carrier had been avenged.

Then everyone started to filter out of the system, as per normal.

So, you guys won the battle, certainly. I am not going to claim that TS-F won this particular fight, because we did not. However, with a few more defeats like this one, I think we will be sitting very nicely.

For the record, Hulemand, you spent roughly 200 million ISK per minute keeping that POCO down. You could destroy every single Customs Office we own and still not cover the losses you incurred in your victory over a single one. I would be seriously rethinking whether you actually consider this fight worth the effort.

A: I'm not Hulemand.
B: Snuffbox were there when we shot your POCO, Shadow Cartel showed up later when we were shooting the second one.
C: I don't think there were 19 Guardians on field, i know we had 7 in our fleet but i doubt Snuffbox brought 12 as their fleet was roughly the same size as ours though i suppose this isn't terribly important.

As for the cost; We lose ships every single day during our combat operations but none to your undefended POCO so if theres no real effort involved and were gonna lose ships to regular combat ops anyway our end result actually improves by destroying your undefended POCOs. So no, theres no need for us to reconsider.

Jinari Otsito wrote:
I wonder why Pyre keeps getting their knickers in a twist against Angels, while damn near supporting the Sansha in these public forums? It's almost as if there's a connection there somewhere. That'd be silly though, wouldn't it?

Why wouldn't they support them? If the nation slowly converts the Federation's populace into slaves it only furthers their goals. Once the Federation crumbles the combined force of the Caldari State and Amarr Empire should easily crush the Republic after which they can rule over their newly acquired territories together. Until the reborn Nation converts them as well of course.

The Coreli Corporation is recruiting.
Iwan Terpalen
Doomheim
#100 - 2013-11-08 14:04:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Iwan Terpalen
Jinari Otsito wrote:
I wonder why Pyre keeps getting their knickers in a twist against Angels, while damn near supporting the Sansha in these public forums? It's almost as if there's a connection there somewhere. That'd be silly though, wouldn't it?

Can't speak for the entire Combine, but here is Iwan Terpalen's personal hard-on for the Sanshahuggers explained, in simple bullet points:

  • Besides talk and **** around with baseliners, they blow up an awfully large amount of capsuleer ships, which is a quality I respect and admire.
  • Being the declared enemies of just about everyone in the cluster, they rain on the just and the unjust alike. Inflicting about as much damage on everyone else means they're pretty much neutral, right? Right.
  • Although their pilots as a whole are a bit acerbic, they're remarkably bullsh*t-free about their triumphs, failures, and day-to-day activities. Unlike some other people we could mention.


..hhm, eh.. three is a good number. Think I'll stop for a quick drink from this tall, cool glass of brain nanites.