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Sidrat Flush
School of Applied Knowledge
#61 - 2013-11-08 00:40:29 UTC
Anslo wrote:
See this is what pisses me off about the current 'peeveepee' crowd. It used to be about gudfites. Now it's just about collecting tears and telling people to deal with it or leave? AND THEN you have the balls to ***** about people not coming to low and nul?

Give me a ******* break. What happened to the game I loved man?


Has it ever really been about gudfights? E-bushido was only ever in the meta game.

Its not difficult to find and join a null corp/alliance that fits with your play style and language. Most are laid back you just need the will to adapt listen learn and prosper.

Having spent many many years in empire and null staying in one space for too long means you can forget how to adapt. While some don't like change or adapting those that can and prove themselves will one day if they want be called FC's at any level they wish to attain for themselves. Or how about a master of production for alliances and coalition blocs? Never forget the unsung heroes that move things from a-b and different things back to a again.

Empire null low or WH isn't really about the rubbish game mechanics it's about the people you fly with and the enemies you can make on the way and have a beer with at some meet up months or years down the line.

Find an existing niche or create your own and start enjoying the game for what it is.

Its time to stand up against the bad empire based CEO telling falsehoods about what new characters can accomplish and pushing them towards an in game experience of drudgery and loneliness keeping them in the shadow of ignorance for at nest their own profit at worse apathy towards all the experiences that Eve has to offer.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#62 - 2013-11-08 00:40:34 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:
Ok lets side step all the complaining that CCP set up high sec players to be killed or that they co-operated the nulls. The fact is this even reveals some depressing info about the balance in military power between null sec alliances and high sec players.

In a very short time these alliances were able to throw together a very effective blockade of a single system kept hidden until shortly before the battle took place using heavy assault cruisers and other advanced tech 2 ships. Meanwhile high sec players for the most part advanced in randomly organised fleets formed from chat and such lacking proper co-ordination. This combined with the tidi that split most of the overall force up meant that numerical superiority was lost.

The end result a massacre in which for the most part ships came in small groups which where easily destroyed. After the event completed (I'm still not sure if it did or not) high sec forces turned into a free for all.

The conclusion that can be drawn from this is that if certain people get their way and all of eve becomes like null sec then the former high sec population is going to get massacred. And goodness knows what's the POCOs situation is going to be like when Rubicon arrives.



Now I'm so sorry I missed it. It sounds incredible..

So the "rugged individualist 'not at all enslaved by the null sec cartel RMT lords'" solo players got massacred by the nullbears able to cooperate with each other long enough to organize and act as one?

What else is new?
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#63 - 2013-11-08 00:41:04 UTC
Johnny Marzetti wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:

I once put a bubble right outside Mittangrad. So spare your fake elitism. Not all of us get to join an organization that specifically gears it's internal rhetoric towards people with low self esteem, and most of us can see through it. So all you are doing is boring me.


Why do you post things like this? They just make you look like a bitter child.



Why do you ask? It makes you look like a bitter child trying to make someone else look like a bitter child.


Seriously though, I feel sorry for people who find the goons' "believe in yourself" stuff as some measure of uplift and personal worth.

And now seeing goons gloat over having low hanging fruit handed to them, as if they pulled some massive caper of tactics and capability, is certainly not moving my impressions in any positive direction.

Your post as well.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#64 - 2013-11-08 00:44:00 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Johnny Marzetti wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:

I once put a bubble right outside Mittangrad. So spare your fake elitism. Not all of us get to join an organization that specifically gears it's internal rhetoric towards people with low self esteem, and most of us can see through it. So all you are doing is boring me.


Why do you post things like this? They just make you look like a bitter child.



Why do you ask? It makes you look like a bitter child trying to make someone else look like a bitter child.


Seriously though, I feel sorry for people who find the goons' "believe in yourself" stuff as some measure of uplift and personal worth.

And now seeing goons gloat over having low hanging fruit handed to them, as if they pulled some massive caper of tactics and capability, is certainly not moving my impressions in any positive direction.

Your post as well.


Last time we turned up to one of these things our entire fleet was killed by concord within 5 minutes of entering system.
Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#65 - 2013-11-08 01:22:28 UTC
Look. I really don't care for other people in high sec. It would be better for business if everyone else got ganked except me.

But this CCP event reeks. I mean I don't trust CCP to begin with, but I'm not giving them money because they are trustworthy people. If it wasn't for the fact they somehow out of this smorgesborg of code made a decent product that I consider giving them my time and money.

However, this kind of crap just leaves a big crap turd taste in my mouth when thinking about CCP.

I suspect CCP is going to run their product in the ground sometime soon.

With the way Dust went I suspect this might be soon.

Looking to talk on VOIP with other EVE players? Are you new and need help with EVE (welfare) or looking for advice? Looking for adversarial debate with angry people?

Captain Tardbar's Voice Discord Server
Johnny Marzetti
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#66 - 2013-11-08 01:27:38 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:

And now seeing goons gloat over having low hanging fruit handed to them, as if they pulled some massive caper of tactics and capability, is certainly not moving my impressions in any positive direction.

Your post as well.


I'm not trying to impress you or anyone else, I'm just having fun posting on a video game forum. Anyway, goons are not gloating over having low hanging fruit handed to them. Razor is gloating over having low hanging fruit handed to them. Goons aren't Razor, though I'm sure some goons were there too since we're allies. These things really do matter and it tells me a lot about how much you don't know about null that you aren't able to distinguish them.
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#67 - 2013-11-08 01:27:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Khergit Deserters
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
Anslo wrote:
See this is what pisses me off about the current 'peeveepee' crowd. It used to be about gudfites. Now it's just about collecting tears and telling people to deal with it or leave? AND THEN you have the balls to ***** about people not coming to low and nul?

Give me a ******* break. What happened to the game I loved man?


People do things for different reasons wow what a shocker. The game you loved is being strangled by highsec people, hence why the event happened in null/lowsec :smug:.



I have yet to see one location of player strangle another. Stop it with this strawman. Are goons limited to only a few talking points?


I can't fault you for not seeing it, as a highsec dweller your viewpoint is limited to only highsec. Since you're limited to highsec I'll give you a highsec argument. Perform a peer reviewed quintuple-blind study that gets published in Cell to prove that highsec is not strangling the game, or else I'm right :smug:.



I once put a bubble right outside Mittangrad. So spare your fake elitism. Not all of us get to join an organization that specifically gears it's internal rhetoric towards people with low self esteem, and most of us can see through it. So all you are doing is boring me.

Right on. Been all around Deklein solo in a Thrasher, and didn't notice a lot of 'leet. Ratting nullbear didn't seem much different than a missioning carebear. I'd be much more scared in low sec Hagilur or Bravigard, in general. (But I can't lie, the few times real gunslingers came out in Deklein, they were pretty damn good).
Chive Clamson
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#68 - 2013-11-08 01:31:24 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Having to leave before the fun started, based on the descriptions it would appear that nullsec got a beaten naked tied up women handed to them and they are acting like it was their charm and prowess involved.


hey thanks for the **** analogy buddy that was entirely necessary

also wow this whole thing is like, incredibly funny
Chive Clamson
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#69 - 2013-11-08 01:32:43 UTC
Khergit Deserters wrote:

Right on. Been all around Deklein solo in a Thrasher, and didn't notice a lot of 'leet. Ratting nullbear didn't seem much different than a missioning carebear. I'd be much more scared in low sec Hagilur or Bravigard, in general. (But I can't lie, the few times real gunslingers came out in Deklein, they were pretty damn good).


whoa you flew around in a thrasher tell me more

did you perhaps destroy a cyno frigate or does only harry forever have access to such pvp prowess
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#70 - 2013-11-08 01:32:53 UTC
Johnny Marzetti wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:

And now seeing goons gloat over having low hanging fruit handed to them, as if they pulled some massive caper of tactics and capability, is certainly not moving my impressions in any positive direction.

Your post as well.


I'm not trying to impress you or anyone else, I'm just having fun posting on a video game forum. Anyway, goons are not gloating over having low hanging fruit handed to them. Razor is gloating over having low hanging fruit handed to them. Goons aren't Razor, though I'm sure some goons were there too since we're allies. These things really do matter and it tells me a lot about how much you don't know about null that you aren't able to distinguish them.




Now now. I thought about this about 30 minutes ago and what you don't know is that I did not care to distinguish them. P

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Ludi Burek
The Player Haters Corp
#71 - 2013-11-08 02:29:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Ludi Burek
Fascinating what some people view themselves as. Low hanging fruit, tied up females, marginal humans, victims etc...

What causes a man to part with his money and time to role play one of those things in a virtual world and act like they had no choice and were born into that life?
Johnny Marzetti
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#72 - 2013-11-08 02:37:47 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:

Now now. I thought about this about 30 minutes ago and what you don't know is that I did not care to distinguish them. P



Yeah, I've noticed that a lot of you forum pubbies have latched on to equivocation lately like it's some cool new kind of logic and not a tedious fallacy used by idiots I'd rather not waste my time talking to.
GetSirrus
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#73 - 2013-11-08 05:02:03 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:

I once put a bubble right outside Mittangrad. So spare your fake elitism. Not all of us get to join an organization that specifically gears it's internal rhetoric towards people with low self esteem, and most of us can see through it. So all you are doing is boring me.


I'm not hearing proof against highsec strangling the game, I guess that means I'm right :smug:.


you are welcome anytime to cease buying at Jita then mine and manufacture in null. or are going to continue to contribute to the choking?
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#74 - 2013-11-08 05:16:51 UTC
GetSirrus wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:

I once put a bubble right outside Mittangrad. So spare your fake elitism. Not all of us get to join an organization that specifically gears it's internal rhetoric towards people with low self esteem, and most of us can see through it. So all you are doing is boring me.


I'm not hearing proof against highsec strangling the game, I guess that means I'm right :smug:.


you are welcome anytime to cease buying at Jita then mine and manufacture in null. or are going to continue to contribute to the choking?


The fact that nullsec at large is forced to buy things from Jita, and manufacture in highsec, is proof positive of highsec strangling the freedom of the rest of the game.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Laserak
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#75 - 2013-11-08 05:52:10 UTC
It was a pretty cool event. I started frapsing when the live events fleet jumped into Doril. Enjoy.

http://youtu.be/XCtuZ-fDL2E?t=2m22s
GetSirrus
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#76 - 2013-11-08 06:33:28 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
GetSirrus wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:

I once put a bubble right outside Mittangrad. So spare your fake elitism. Not all of us get to join an organization that specifically gears it's internal rhetoric towards people with low self esteem, and most of us can see through it. So all you are doing is boring me.


I'm not hearing proof against highsec strangling the game, I guess that means I'm right :smug:.


you are welcome anytime to cease buying at Jita then mine and manufacture in null. or are going to continue to contribute to the choking?


The fact that nullsec at large is forced to buy things from Jita, and manufacture in highsec, is proof positive of highsec strangling the freedom of the rest of the game.


incorrect, null makes a choice to purchase in high-sec. because is it cheap and convenient. null recently received a significant boost in minerals - and its still not mined. outpost slots upgraded, still no rise in industry. industrialists are players that null shoots at, not emulates.
destiny2
Decaying Rocky Odious Non Evil Stupid Inane Nobody
Looking for Trouble
#77 - 2013-11-08 07:20:39 UTC
Nullsec vrs highsec is generally not a great idea, especially for a pew pew battle. highsec players wouldnt get into lowsec before their smartbombed to death by camping capitals. Shocked
KaRa DaVuT
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#78 - 2013-11-08 07:25:16 UTC
All of you whining but never thought that CCP never understanded the playerbase and the game Itself..

I mean what you expected by getting people to the hottest warzone in null? safe passage ?

Really the guys in the event management should Play this game more..Ot atleast check the maps and read some news damit =)

:CCP: Thank you, Goat gods were so pleased with us and you, as RAZOR sacrificed all those highsec bloods to them.

Your sacrifices will not be in vain

Holiness is in right action and courage on behalf of those who cannot defend themselves, and goodness. What God desires is in your heart and on your mind... And what you decide to do every day, makes you - not your race - a good man - or not.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#79 - 2013-11-08 07:26:16 UTC
Quote:
incorrect, null makes a choice to purchase in high-sec. because is it cheap and convenient.


No, not really. Now you're getting into the "if you don't like WalMart, don't shop there" argument.

WalMart/highsec drove everyone in town out of business already.

The sheer cheapness and convenience of highsec demands it's use. If, say, NCDot stopped shopping there, and decided to do their own industrial crap, they would be overrun in less than a month by people who aren't paying the MASSIVE opportunity cost associated with manufacturing in null.

Highsec just has too damn much incentive.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#80 - 2013-11-08 09:40:20 UTC
KaRa DaVuT wrote:
All of you whining but never thought that CCP never understanded the playerbase and the game Itself..

I mean what you expected by getting people to the hottest warzone in null? safe passage ?

Really the guys in the event management should Play this game more..Ot atleast check the maps and read some news damit =)

:CCP: Thank you, Goat gods were so pleased with us and you, as RAZOR sacrificed all those highsec bloods to them.

Your sacrifices will not be in vain




It's very possible that the outcome was intended as part of the storyline - an attempt of the empires desperately trying to destroy some dangerous new installation and failing.

And the result of that failure will be why some of the new content of Rubicon will exist.

The goal of live events are met in such a case, since everybody knows that outcome may already be determined. Hence the draw of the live event: being in the epic sci fi tale instead of just reading it.

A lot of people expected to die because their routes showed a lot of red squares. I expected to get in during a break at work, do my part, and end up in vat or pod and end my break. Instead I just plain ran out of time. A lot of participants had to go back to work, or go to work, or go to sleep. In the real world these things happen.

But 20+ jumps with heavy TiDi said otherwise. And this is what the "tears" are about. Long travel at TiDi just to go into a gate camp is somewhat lame

The whole affair could have been done better. I think there will be some in the future that will.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!