Intergalactic Summit

They never had a chance to win because....they engaged short range brawlers with long range vessels with superior pilot ability and legions worth of drones to swarm them? I'm trying to understand why they would never have even been able to take them on if they had more electronic warfare such as damps...in situations I've been and have been taught by folks from some of the larger low sec groups, once you break a repair chain or ruin their ability to complement each other, you've taken a very, very strong advantage.

But you're saying even IF they had more dampeners, they wouldn't have won anyway? Why?

EDIT: Also I won 40mil. Woo!

What is this thread actually about?

OK I see there was a disconnect in my proposal. I didn't mean switch people out. I literally meant they should have had their fleet as it was+5 more in ewar. I should have clarified that before. Sorry.

But I 100% agree with you and noticed that. Ishtars are not to be taken lightly. That's why I suggested +5 more pilots in ewar to possibly assist. However, the sheer force that is an Ishtar would, in retrospect, make it useless.


I dunno about that. I've studied BALKAN's tactics against enemies and, despite it being a quick skirmish gang fight, they still won the day by breaking the enemy's chain. But hey maybe that's unique to armor.


It was essentially glass bashing cannons against some very very heavy firepower with a good bit of tank to boot. I understand now. Thank you!
....but why were their shield logistics for Deimos and Ishtars? Are they not traditionally armor?...

Thanks for the advice Tiberious. And Silas.

OK what the hell I'm being pleasant with a Toaster and a Blooder. What's the verse coming to?

If you are the ranged skirmish gang orbiting a slower group at range, your logistic are often even further removed from the targets, typically putting them well outside of enemy range. Very hard to break, let along target or tackle.

When you attack a group of ships with logistic support, it is very much a 'judgement call' based on past experience as to whether you have enough firepower to 'muscle through' any repairs being done to your targets. Experienced commanders will usually guess correctly the first time... or very, very quickly adapt and change targets as soon as they see they aren't making progress.



I'm sure you can figure that one out.

And today we learned that there's more than one way to fit a ship.

We have no need for Shadow Cartel to be forgiving. The Angel Cartel informed us one of their fleets was under attack from a carrier so we lend a hand and destroyed it. If Shadow Cartel wants to avenge it they are welcome to do so.


The Reynire fight took place after this call and there was no ineptitude involved (Well apart from fielding Ashimmu's). We destroyed the TSF customs office after which scouts reported a Shadow Cartel fleet. As our primary purpose behind our low-sec campaign is training our pilots and new fleet commanders we decided to engage them.

After killing a rapier and losing a few tech 1 ships we ran into a stalemate with neither side being able to break each other logistics and as we only brought a very limited amount of strategic assets into the area we had no way of escalating while we knew Shadow Cartel could. So the call was made to pull out, abandon those tackled on field and save the rest. Sometimes you win, and sometimes you lose.

Unfortunately we forgot about actually replacing the TSF customs office so they sneakily dropped a new one.

Come get us.

Pure alpha fire power can counter warp core stabilizers.

Shadow Cartel was there before you attacked the POCO, Hulemand. We noticed you 'shooting' at each other in an attempt to bait us out. We also noticed that you all appeared to be shooting at each other with one gun each.

We made the determination that you were working together, either through preplanned co-ordination or on the fly improvisation. We found this odd because you HAD just destroyed their carrier. Either Shadow Cartel was being forgiving in trying to get a fight, or you guys had just set up the most expensive misdirection campaign I have ever seen.

Regardless, we made a count of the ships on field arrayed between yourselves, Shadow Cartel, and Snuff Box, and determined that we could not break the repping power of 19 guardians without significantly more investment, so the the decision was made to let the POCO go and adapt to other tactics.

When you went off to shoot at another POCO, we put another up in the place of the one lost, at which point we learned that the Shadow Cartel fleet had begun shooting you in earnest. Then the so called 'good fights' started going up in local, and someone exclaimed that their carrier had been avenged.

Then everyone started to filter out of the system, as per normal.

So, you guys won the battle, certainly. I am not going to claim that TS-F won this particular fight, because we did not. However, with a few more defeats like this one, I think we will be sitting very nicely.

For the record, Hulemand, you spent roughly 200 million ISK per minute keeping that POCO down. You could destroy every single Customs Office we own and still not cover the losses you incurred in your victory over a single one. I would be seriously rethinking whether you actually consider this fight worth the effort.