Missions & Complexes

You conveniently forget that I lived in Pure Blind, with PL and a small, but serious group based out of the NPC station down the pipe (forget the name, but they have run in the tourney), constantly harassing. I know precisely how much I made in null per hour, compared to high sec.

So don't try telling me how poor null sec players are.

Case in point. He never said anything about a fleet.

3 mil SP is low, but I've introduced people to incursions flying megas and tempests with 5 mil or less. Those guys using best named guns wouldn't have been able to malke the same isk in null sec missions anoms or plexs as they could in incursions. Each of them were in navy and then pirate ships as soon as they could fly them just from the isk we made flying with tvp and warp to me.

Thanks to incursions I can jump into a ship that can't even shoot (scimitar, basi in shiled fleets for examples) and make isk. Can't do that in null the same way unless yoru null area lucks up and gets an incursion which needs clearing.

I do all combat PVE expect wormhole stuff(missions, incursions, exploration), and the simple truth is that high sec incursions are the best steady+safe isk there is to be had. Not chance based like most null PVE, and my high sec incursion runner doens't even have local chat on screen (because TVP, ISN primary and Warp To me's chat are WAY more useful and entertaining lol especially when DIN got pissed and killed MOM) where as local chat and intel channels are a must in null.

See, prejudice.

Who said null players are poor. I make good isk in Null, as do most people.

There is an imbalance though. i notice it while farming anoms with my 1.5 bil isk fit mach macking 28-34 mil ticks while having to watch local like a hawk, when i could be flying a much cheaper Basi in an incursion fleet making similar isk without having to look at local. This is one of the reasons why high sec pve is so popular among null players, even in cases where is less isk like missions, it's still safer, steadier, not chance based. CONCORD will come and kill people who shoot you. You can go AFK without a cloak, POS or outpost. etc etc.

You'd have to be interested in the truth to understand this though, and all you're interested in is your agenda.

-You only have to make those 20 jumps once every few days. This is not a big deal.
-If suicide gankers are a problem while moving your incursion battleship, you are very much doing it wrong.
-Also, if nullsec people were offered the option of moving twenty jumps through hisec in order to reach their anomalies in exchange for not having to deal with roaming ganks and cloaky hotdroppers, a lot of them would do it.
-you sound very mad. People that are not mad do not throw around the words "lie" and "liars" so easily.

Like Frosty said, sure a 3mil SP toon can get in a fleet, but that is tempered by the (Assuming VG) 9 other toons with 30mil SP each. I fly with ISN and it is no secret that without around a minimum of 20mil SP you won't get an invite, so the really high end ISK is actually not really available to the low SP characters.

I don't necessarily think that null sec should be insanely better reward rise. High sec and null sec are two different play styles, which players should be allowed to enjoy separately, not be forced to move into null to make decent isk because "high sec is to easy, blah blah blah." As stated before, most null sec players (probably all) have a high sec alt or go to high sec every so often to enjoy the ease of it. There are always the outliers, the people who don't fall into that but most people do.

The discussion is about isk.



Apples and Oranges. Sure the incursion runner isn't running incursions alone, nor did the Anom runner single handedly conquer his solar system, upgrade it, place an IHUB in system and get the military level to 5 lol.

The point here is, as a single player flying a single ship, it's possible to make the same isk form incursions as it is from standard null sec pve activities like anom farming. And in Incursions this could be done with a cheaper ship (like a logi) in a situation so safe you don't even have to look at local (because your not going to be in an incursion fleet if wardecced anyway). That's an imbalance.



I don't suggest changing anything isk wise, if high sec incursions paid less no one would run them (I lol when I think about how people were screaming "it's not about ISK, it's about the community" before the incursion nerf only to see the incursion communities wither away when ccp took away the isk lol). And buffing null sec pve isk is just repeating the mistake of the past.

I think the best change would be for incursions (all incursions) to be actually dangerous instead of the farmable cake walk they are now. Incursion Communities have incursions so down-pat now that after a couple hours it makes me sleepy. I rarely catch any aggro even when flying a Vindicator.

Besides this, more rewards to "force" people to move has never worked, just the opposite. Low sec is fully of tasty rewards and still mostly empty. Wormholes have the best rewards in the game and the lowest share of population.

No one wants to force anyone to do anything. Now, some of us would like to be "less tied" to high sec. No one is forcing us to play there but 100 to 150 mil an hour flying in incursions fleets in increased safety (rather than PVEing in null with one eye glued to local/intel) is just too good to pass up. But CCP seems to have painted itself into a corner, can't nerf high sec because it's already a grind, can't buff null because the last null buff damn near broke the economy (really, 400 mil an hour titans lol).

I'm not one of those players who thinks he knows what professional game makers should do, just pointing out what I see as an imbalance. Damn if I would know how to correct it.

Yep. Hell, if they'd do something like that for missions, i'd be all for buffing high sec mission income too.

Sorry Jen you are taking my sarcasm a little to literally, when I first started doing VG's it was immediately apparent when we had a floater in fleet, HQ's are impossible to tell when there is a floater, but we try to filter them out by having members run a few dozen VG's before they get to HQ's.

But some methods are easy.
Find a guy not firing drop him and ban him.
On private coms tell fleet members to not fire on a target to see the new guys actual damage.
Call for fleet logs at the end of a fleet, and drop it into the EVE-HQ damage notification calculator.
But when in doubt, send him to fly with TVP.

Going to get trolled for that one...