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question about multiboxing miners.

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Athena Maldoran
Doomheim
#1 - 2013-11-06 18:40:17 UTC

How can you Warp Your 7 miners to a belt and in a single klick mine 7 different rocks, and at the same time move to 7 diffrent locations in a belt? And how is this not breaching the bot rule? What?
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#2 - 2013-11-06 19:04:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Batelle
moving them to 7 different points probably takes multiple clicks, unless each one is mining a different kind of rock and have different overview filters set. People that use ISboxer are very inventive with their UI setups.

Duplicating/streamlining user input is not botting or macroing.

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Athena Maldoran
Doomheim
#3 - 2013-11-06 19:09:27 UTC
from what im a witness to, one klick mine and move. Its just stupid and People doing this should be banned from playing games..
Kynthor Belg
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2013-11-06 19:19:14 UTC
If they are truly only using one click then must be just different overview filters set. Which is not against the rules (as far as I know)

I multibox mine (without ISboxer), no way I could handle 7 exhumers. Well actually it sounds like 7 skiffs or procurers, I could probably do that. I do 4 hulks currently.
Athena Maldoran
Doomheim
#5 - 2013-11-06 19:29:22 UTC
thats legit, multiboxing With out software or hardware to simplify.. anything else is just semibotting and should be shut Down.
Kynthor Belg
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2013-11-06 19:45:57 UTC
Well potentially. It would certainly help how much I make from mining. BUT it is currently allowed by CCP and therefore nothing technically wrong. As long as someone is actually putting in the inputs. If it really annoys you just wardec and kill the miners (of course they may not undock during a wardec). Or ask your preferred CSM representative to help get rid of ISboxer, unfortunately I think that it is here to stay.
Sexy Damsel
Perkone
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-11-06 19:51:19 UTC
Its easy 7 accounts. Done 5 accounts and farmed Wh c4 in past. Not that difficult if you have two screens. Don't need iskboxer for that
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#8 - 2013-11-06 20:01:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Batelle
Athena Maldoran wrote:
thats legit, multiboxing With out software or hardware to simplify.. anything else is just semibotting and should be shut Down.



Lots of people don't like ISboxer. That's fine. CCP Devs have studied ISboxer closely, and been very explicit about exactly why they don't consider it botting. If you don't like ISboxer boxer because you think its botting, then you're either ignorant of how it works or have a much different definition of botting than CCP.

If you REALLY don't like ISboxer, there are plenty of ingame methods available, and even ingame organizations that exist, to go after users of ISboxer. But don't expect CCP to change their policy.

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Kate stark
#9 - 2013-11-06 20:38:24 UTC
Athena Maldoran wrote:
from what im a witness to, one klick mine and move. Its just stupid and People doing this should be banned from playing games..

because you set each overview up such that when your multiboxing software replicates 1 click, although the click is identical the object on each overview will be separate.

Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this.

Devin Valencia
La Roche Syndicate
#10 - 2013-11-06 22:18:08 UTC
Here's the thing, in EVE you always have a choice. If you don't like these people multiboxing miners because you suspect them of using ISBoxer, go suicide gank them then. Nothing is stopping you but you. But then again, reading your topic it sounds like you're mad because they're doing something you cannot and wah wah it's not fair!

TLDR Either beat them or join them.
Lance Stratos
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2013-11-06 23:28:03 UTC
when i multibox i sort by range when in normal belts. if i am still too clustered I then manually select each client.

Since i am manually doing the work, ie not using a macro to automate the mining actions, I do not break the EULA. That may seem false as when i click once on 1 client and is broadcasted to the others, but its not sincei am manually initiating the command.

Multiboxing has been covered by the GMs many times.
Jason Xado
Doomheim
#12 - 2013-11-07 03:55:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Jason Xado
Athena Maldoran wrote:

How can you Warp Your 7 miners to a beltWhat?


Warp fleet to...out of the box EvE functionality.

Athena Maldoran wrote:

in a single klick mine 7 different rocksWhat?


Most likely setting up the targets with more than one click then using IsBoxer to broadcast command to start mining. Looks like one click to you but really only the final step is one click when using ISBoxer (which is legal per dev statements).

Athena Maldoran wrote:

at the same time move to 7 diffrent locations in a belt?What?


Bookmarks, built in EvE functionality.

Athena Maldoran wrote:

And how is this not breaching the bot rule? What?


Multiboxing is valid gameplay.
Kaylee Stardrifter
Templars HIghsec
Stellar Fusion
#13 - 2013-11-07 07:05:46 UTC
More importantly. If CCP banned Multiboxing they would lose about 60% of their active subscriptions. Thats a huge hit to the wallet.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#14 - 2013-11-07 13:40:23 UTC
Yeah, so, I use isboxer. It's truly glorious mainly for the reason that it allows you to instantly switch between clients and see them all, which out of the box EVE can't do because of screen size limitations. Essentially isboxer renders all the clients at full size in the background then gives you thumbnails of them.

Now for controlling them, It's FAR from a single click. Usually you have to switch between them to split out targets beyond by-type overview settings, and often you can end up with lasers in different states due to rocks decaying at different times.

I multiboxed without isboxer for a long time, and clicks wise, it's pretty much the same (except moving ore to the hauler is simplified), it's just sooooooo much easier to see who needs what clicked at a glance. I actually only started using it to see what all the fuss was about, and now that I've seen it I realise the fuss is a bit over the top. It really doesn't make it much less effort (though with 97 miners it probably does) it just assists you in effectively relaying your effort to the right alt.

If they took away the ability to mirror clicks and keystrokes, I'd not mind much (I'd miss my multibox waves in local). The ability to instant switch clients is the main winning feature, and that's available from a whole host of software, just none as easy to set up as this.

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Styth spiting
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2013-11-08 01:59:55 UTC
Athena Maldoran wrote:

How can you Warp Your 7 miners to a belt and in a single klick mine 7 different rocks, and at the same time move to 7 diffrent locations in a belt? And how is this not breaching the bot rule? What?


Manually warp each character or use the fleet warp to member option.

Manually switching between roids and having specific characters only mine specific ore types.

Warp one character into the warp in position (or have bookmakrs setup) and warp fleet.

Botting is automated mining requiring no interaction from a player, multiboxing still requires alot of work from the player.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#16 - 2013-11-08 03:04:36 UTC
Athena Maldoran wrote:
thats legit, multiboxing With out software or hardware to simplify.. anything else is just semibotting and should be shut Down.

I'm glad you think i'm legit. would you say i'm too legit to quit
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#17 - 2013-11-08 09:26:37 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
Athena Maldoran wrote:
thats legit, multiboxing With out software or hardware to simplify.. anything else is just semibotting and should be shut Down.

I'm glad you think i'm legit. would you say i'm too legit to quit
That's a little too squishy for me.

I don't see anything un-legit about isboxer though, all the time CCP says its fine. And if they do change their mind, and outlaw it, that's fine too, though they'll find a considerable drop in subs. I mean that "The Wis" guy multiboxes over 100. you think he's likely to keep subbing all those accounts without isboxer?

At the end of the day though the same option is available to everyone, and in the grand scheme of things, it hardly has the impact to warrant its removal.

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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#18 - 2013-11-08 10:36:05 UTC
Athena Maldoran
Doomheim
#19 - 2013-11-08 15:31:27 UTC
Im not really fond of the one click im mining a Whole belt. in my opinion that is the same as botting. theres no gameplay interaction.
Gizan
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#20 - 2013-11-08 15:35:46 UTC
i dont remember where i read it, but ccp said that the average eve player has 2.5 accounts.
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