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Stealth bomber overhaul proposal
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Scorpionstrike
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-11-06 03:08:53 UTC
I think it might be time to re-visit the ship ?

I would like to discuss if changing the ship from a frigate to a cruiser would be better, i think if it were able to tank a little you would be able to have more flexibility in where and when you use it, like a gate camping group. it should still only use torpeados and the covert ops cloak only. with no increase on damage.

It may also be a good idea to use the frigate hull for a ship built around bombing delivery with ship bonuses centred around that purpose and weapon delivery, and there might very well be good cause to improve the type, use, and new bomb weapons for the ship.
Enteron Anabente
Provident Provisions
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#2 - 2013-11-06 03:41:34 UTC
Do you really want it to cost as much as a T2 cruiser? (120-180m or so).

Or do you just want to make it better (because we all know stealth bombers are so underpowered right now Roll), but have it cost the same?
Valleria Darkmoon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2013-11-06 08:42:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Valleria Darkmoon
I was hoping for something more like allow them to have an option between having Cruise Missiles again (like before the first overhaul) or Torpedoes. I could get behind that now that Cruise missiles have been de-crappified somewhat.

Making it a Cruiser hull though, nah. The whole idea of bombers is that you get huge punch out of a wet paper bag and giving them average cruiser EHP would take too long to get such high dps off the field.

Incidentally the Cruise Missiles are the only parts of the old bombers I ever miss. I like them way better with Cov ops than a **** cloak.

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Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-11-06 09:15:16 UTC
I got it, make them cruisers for more tank, and switch their weapon bonuses from torps to Large Smart Bombs.

It'll be awesome! :)

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To mare
Advanced Technology
#5 - 2013-11-06 09:19:33 UTC
they should keep the actual ones and add a 2nd line of SB with the old bonuses (and covop cloak)
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2013-11-06 10:03:52 UTC
Valleria Darkmoon wrote:
I was hoping for something more like allow them to have an option between having Cruise Missiles again (like before the first overhaul) or Torpedoes. I could get behind that now that Cruise missiles have been de-crappified somewhat.

Making it a Cruiser hull though, nah. The whole idea of bombers is that you get huge punch out of a wet paper bag and giving them average cruiser EHP would take too long to get such high dps off the field.

Incidentally the Cruise Missiles are the only parts of the old bombers I ever miss. I like them way better with Cov ops than a **** cloak.



when they changed the stealth bobmers, the dev workign on it said they had a deep desire to give another ship the riole the olde bobmers had, cruises, no bombs not warp cloaked by very high speed cloaked with no lockdelay after uncloacking.


Seems they simply forgot of it...


I am still waiting for a ship that works like that. not warp cloaked by very good cloaked speed and no delay to lock after uncloak, with some upperscaled weaponry.

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Shadow Cartel
#7 - 2013-11-06 10:08:14 UTC
Bombers are perfect for their intended purpose

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Ix Method
Doomheim
#8 - 2013-11-06 11:12:08 UTC
They are so perfect, please don't break them Sad

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Scorpionstrike
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2013-11-06 12:00:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Scorpionstrike
Enteron Anabente wrote:
Do you really want it to cost as much as a T2 cruiser? (120-180m or so).

Or do you just want to make it better (because we all know stealth bombers are so underpowered right now Roll), but have it cost the same?




I am wondering if a cruiser with a bit of tank should be firing the torpeados. and then re-design the stealth bomber for bomb weapons only which might enable more features to bombing runs. Another option is keep the existing stealth bomber and have two new ship specializations ??
Delt0r Garsk
Shits N Giggles
#10 - 2013-11-06 12:15:06 UTC
What is wrong with boomers right now? What are you trying to fix?

I see nothing wrong with them. They are quite well balanced with very specific roles and targets that they effectively engage. Just like a t2 should be. Also they have some glaring weakness and if you don't use your bomber right you die very fast. I often don't even get a damage alarm... just go straight to floating around in a pod.

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GeeShizzle MacCloud
#11 - 2013-11-06 13:14:38 UTC  |  Edited by: GeeShizzle MacCloud
the only change id like to see in regards to bombers is an increase in ship resources for the Nemesis and possibly a tiny bit to the manticore, alongside t2 bombs that have a slower larger anticapital warhead and a much faster lighter subcap warhead
Liam Inkuras
Furnace
#12 - 2013-11-06 13:36:13 UTC
To mare wrote:
they should keep the actual ones and add a 2nd line of SB with the old bonuses (and covop cloak)

We'll call it, the Panther.

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Dark Drifter
Sons of Seyllin
Pirate Lords of War
#13 - 2013-11-06 22:15:05 UTC
cruse missile bomber platforms

bonuses Ewar bombing platforms

higher warp speeds

ability to use a "small micro jump drive" <- mod needs to be added
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#14 - 2013-11-06 22:18:29 UTC
hell no. SBs have been good since their last remake. Maaaaybe the nemesis could get some extra cpu or something. But otherwise, they're fine.

And cruiser sized SBs? tanky SBs ? what the hell are you smoking?

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Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#15 - 2013-11-06 22:47:32 UTC
Debora Tsung wrote:
I got it, make them cruisers for more tank, and switch their weapon bonuses from torps to Large Smart Bombs.

It'll be awesome! :)


I have the strange sort of feeling that this kind of ship should be a thing.
Jasmine Assasin
The Holy Rollers
#16 - 2013-11-06 23:01:51 UTC
A "Cruise Missile" bomber is something I think they should at least think about bringing back.

"Way back when" I wanted to fly one, but CMs kind of sucked. Now that CMs are unassed I think it's a great time to at least explore the possibility. Also consider the BS (literally and figuratively speaking) mobility nerf coming in Rubicon and I think something like this might have a use scenario after all.
Corvald Tyrska
Valknetra
#17 - 2013-11-06 23:29:54 UTC
A cruise missile bomber would be capable of running every lvl 4 mission solo and could safely do it in low and null sec due to covops cloak. I somehow don't think we'll be seeing that added anytime soon.

On top of that, tech II launchers with precision warheads would allow terrifying damage application to cruisers, which are one of the favored counters to bombers at the moment.

I would think the only way we would ever see this is as an AT prize ship, 'cause they are ridiculously powerful.