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hmmm. Seems to me that there might be a business opportunity here that folks are missing; something to supplement their pre-siphon income.

For example, make arrangements with a tower(s) owner(s) to not get killed by the POS and regularly (weekly or bi weekly) submit kill mails of destroyed siphons on their towers. Get paid 20mil? 40mil? a siphon. You provide an industry protection service that they do not have to be bothered with.

Of course if they do not pay you litter their towers with your own (or an alt hint hint) siphons. Or maybe you lite a cyno next to their tower.

Ah the possibilities...

Mate don't be delusional pleas,e if it is that easy now every BALEX member would have a SC and 2 Dread alts just for lols. And imagine then in nullsec where they can do the same things for much greater profit. They wouldn't need nor moon nor renters. You are speaking about Utopia.

The fundamental issue with these is CCP has to find a balance between allowing the "little guy" a mechanic he can use vs not allowing the big guys to rock the entire economy with what we consider pocket change.

I assure you that to someone like me 10's of billions to keep regions spammed for months on end is nothing and well within the range of doable. Hand them out like candy and have people spam. I do not seek the goo just the suffering and economic disruption.

On the flip side, you have the little guy who wants to siphon off some sweet goo and make a little ISK or just attempt to be a thorn in someones side.

Well, you can't balance on limits per person. We have thousands. (this suggestion by CCP was hilariously shameful)

You can't balance on ISK alone, we got plenty and the "little guy doesn't" evidently. Though it is shameful you consider 12m expensive. They should be 2-3x that as the earn back period is still very fast compared to how often the average (non-alliance) tower owner will login.

You can balance on opportunity costs for scale though which is effectively what they have tried to do with their capacity nerf. It means the run time per abandoned siphon is less. Meaning 9 per tower now. It encourages people to actually stick around their siphon and use it rather than mass spamming and laughing at large sums of goo are destroyed and stolen or blown up and who knows what.

They aren't perfect as they were designed wrong. It is still a fairly silly mechanic that could have been done so much better to actually promote interaction. But at least they aren't quite the mass economic disruption and galaxy wide griefing tool they were before. Though they still are to some degree. I know we will utilize them quite a lot.

don't be a fool, this can be done easy, as for the supers, raising the money is not the only issue, getting them is a bit harer, and more, is actually keeping it in lowsec and having ause to it
i can fly one, afford one, but still i don't have one, because i don't need it

plus, the supply is scarce (on purpose)

nullsec can pull way more

if you don't know how to make that much in low, i suggest you take a look at what is happening there, between mission anoms and clones, you can actually do this easy in 3h, even more if u are lucky on anoms drop

Maybe I should switch language so you understand better?

Everything in eve costs isk. That's how you get ships and equipment. Siphons are cheap. 10 mil is not amount of isk that is hard to make for anyone who is not newbie in the game. If nothing else you can join fw with an alt and more or less print isk for almost no effort what so ever. Doesn't even need a lot of SP or an expensive ship. That will not force you to go to high sec or 0.0 sec if you have reasons not to want to go there.

Problem here is that you want free isk thrown at you so you can deploy siphons from a cloaky ship and brag around how elite you are, annoying alliances who are actually organised and worked hard to achieve what they have. No such luck sadly, you will have to work for it. I'm sure you fly ships that are more valuable than 10 mil so it obviously is possible to make those levels of isk even for you.

PS: Da manje sjedite na kavama možda bi imali iska za siphone :p

At this point the simplest approach is to shift the limit from per character to per grid. That will at least encourage daily effort to keep denial going, rather than just dropping 50 of the things at once and letting them fill up one at a time over days.

It is not about earning free isk. You will earn the same no meter the price of siphon. And profit with siphons are nothing really if your corp/alliance doesn't launch an organized campaign.

For example. If siphon units cost 2 millions on the best moons you would need some 4-5 hours to repay the siphon and earn some 2 mils per siphon.

So only if you are organised like hell and seed few regions (some 100 siphons) it means that the next day you will have enough money to replace the destroyed ones and earn some 200 mils a day (if they are not stolen form)
Keeping up, checking100 siphons daily is not an easy job and those groups deserves every bit of isk they can squeeze.

So it is not metter about how much isk this feature can earn, it is about being viable and above all logical. As it is now it just doesn't have any sense except for the big entities budgets.

PS: Ko mi kaže. Nisi u životu opuco na rata, sve vam je plaćeno od AFK minanja. Zato ne seri :P

Nah siphons will be awful for making profit if you don't spam hundreds of them. It is mostly about denying profit to your enemies

The problem now is that you have to spend much more isk to deny a bit to your enemy, not logical at all right?
Well, for the big guys it is fine. For them it is just a pocket change so they can further stomp on smaller entities.

On the other hand smaller entities will be broken long before your siphon attacks even tickle big entities like GSF, that's why they all are butthurt about this feature and crying all around forums.

And CCP can't see trough this because they are influenced by CSM candidates like Mynnna..simple as that.
Mynnna you are such a bad, bad girl :D

I think the interesting angle to the siphon thing is not exactly the money you may (or may not) get from it, but rather forcing larger alliances to do patrols. The larger the empire, the smaller the patrols will probably be (i.e. it won't be a 100 ship blob checking every pos).

Which could make for lots of interesting smaller scale pvp opportunities. set up siphons, figure out their patrol schedule and hotdrop it, or take the goo if they don't show. lulz either way.

Of course, it could degenerate into passive moon income vs passive moon income stealing (which is boring), but hey, it's a sandbox.

suicide gankers don't kill miners to collect the minerals either. its not even done to deny income. both bumping and ganking are done for tears. are we to take it from your statement that this is a bad state of affairs, and perhaps it is griefing afterall?