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A Double Standard? (True Slave Foundations)
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Viktrix Vhymidor
Doomheim
#161 - 2013-11-05 21:12:45 UTC
Well this just got more interesting.
Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#162 - 2013-11-05 21:19:58 UTC
I've no power, nor clout within the Summit, and nothing to cling on to as you so claim against all who are critical of you.

Even I find you to be a self pitying mewling child. What actual credibility your original statement had regarding ethics and members of TSF was lost in the ranting of your oversized ego, refusing to take accountability for the reasons you're disliked. Quit making excuses for your own social failings.

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.
Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#163 - 2013-11-05 21:23:52 UTC
Isis Dea wrote:


I like how you really don't read prior statements.

1. I don't want to leave. I like The Summit, or moreso, the community there, not the channel's favorites and moderators.

2. This topic is full of the same names, all equally hating of what I call you out on. Yet within the actual channel it is a near constant that there are multiple people (typically lesser known or newer names) who find I'm fair in my statements and very enlightening.

Heck, go ask the Sansha moderator himself how many people came to my defense the moment he threatened moderation.

Here's your problem: You don't like me. As Saber put, your little "club" doesn't like me either. Characters who've been empowered too long within a channel that considers itself the official hub of all New Eden capsuleer interaction.

I remind them that you really are so little in the grander spectrum and that anyone can oppose you, even where you (and all of your little clubbers here) would bully someone around.

I think it's my turn to say, if you don't like it you can leave.

I'm not going anywhere. Twisted



That doesn't look like a list of capsuleers who consider you the equal of the Cardinal. Still waiting, worm.


And you are of course welcome to stay in the channel so long as you keep it cordial and abide by the rules set forth by the Cardinal.

If you reach a point where your masochistic interest in remaining under the aegis of capsuleers you dislike so much proves to no longer stimulate you, let me know and I will be happy to remove you.

Sabik now, Sabik forever
Isis Dea
Society of Adrift Hope
#164 - 2013-11-05 21:30:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Isis Dea
Silas Vitalia wrote:
Isis Dea wrote:


I like how you really don't read prior statements.

1. I don't want to leave. I like The Summit, or moreso, the community there, not the channel's favorites and moderators.

2. This topic is full of the same names, all equally hating of what I call you out on. Yet within the actual channel it is a near constant that there are multiple people (typically lesser known or newer names) who find I'm fair in my statements and very enlightening.

Heck, go ask the Sansha moderator himself how many people came to my defense the moment he threatened moderation.

Here's your problem: You don't like me. As Saber put, your little "club" doesn't like me either. Characters who've been empowered too long within a channel that considers itself the official hub of all New Eden capsuleer interaction.

I remind them that you really are so little in the grander spectrum and that anyone can oppose you, even where you (and all of your little clubbers here) would bully someone around.

I think it's my turn to say, if you don't like it you can leave.

I'm not going anywhere. Twisted



That doesn't look like a list of capsuleers who consider you the equal of the Cardinal. Still waiting, worm.


And you are of course welcome to stay in the channel so long as you keep it cordial and abide by the rules set forth by the Cardinal.

If you reach a point where your masochistic interest in remaining under the aegis of capsuleers you dislike so much proves to no longer stimulate you, let me know and I will be happy to remove you.


Oh you'll remove me far sooner than that. For that channel is far from neutral. Twisted

It'll happen as I continue to treat said Cardinal as an equal. For it is in my blood to spit in his face. And I could care less for how much your club doesn't like me for it.

I'm a rebel, always have, always will be. If you want to remove my capsuleer voice because my character just doesn't mesh well with your kind, then go ahead and do so.

Only you'll be proving the double standard.


Caellach Marellus wrote:
I've no power, nor clout within the Summit, and nothing to cling on to as you so claim against all who are critical of you.

Even I find you to be a self pitying mewling child. What actual credibility your original statement had regarding ethics and members of TSF was lost in the ranting of your oversized ego, refusing to take accountability for the reasons you're disliked. Quit making excuses for your own social failings.


So… ignore all substance of the argument because I'm disliked by a majority, especially where I'd go as far as to argue that majority are power-creeps?

I find it cute how you seek to dodge the argument. But then again, it might be because you're looking to be included in this little club of theirs.

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Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#165 - 2013-11-05 21:40:40 UTC
Isis Dea wrote:


Oh you'll remove me far sooner than that. For that channel is far from neutral. Twisted

It'll happen as I continue to treat said Cardinal as an equal. For it is in my blood to spit in his face. And I could care less for how much your club doesn't like me for it.

I'm a rebel, always have, always will be. If you want to remove my capsuleer voice because my character just doesn't mesh well with your kind, then go ahead and do so.

Only you'll be proving the double standard.



For someone who couldn't care less about our little club you have a lot to say about it.


And I would also not suggest 'spitting in the face' of the owner/operator of the channel.


There is certainly no double standard, however. Troublemakers of all shapes are asked to leave now and then.


If your current conduct is an attempt to 'bait' into a ban from the channel for your own purposes I imagine you will soon be successful.


As a moderator I am unfortunately duty bound to make you aware of this.









Sabik now, Sabik forever
Saber1
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#166 - 2013-11-05 21:42:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Saber1
Silas Vitalia wrote:
Isis Dea wrote:


Oh you'll remove me far sooner than that. For that channel is far from neutral. Twisted

It'll happen as I continue to treat said Cardinal as an equal. For it is in my blood to spit in his face. And I could care less for how much your club doesn't like me for it.

I'm a rebel, always have, always will be. If you want to remove my capsuleer voice because my character just doesn't mesh well with your kind, then go ahead and do so.

Only you'll be proving the double standard.



For someone who couldn't care less about our little club you have a lot to say about it.


And I would also not suggest 'spitting in the face' of the owner/operator of the channel.


There is certainly no double standard, however. Troublemakers of all shapes are asked to leave now and then.


If your current conduct is an attempt to 'bait' into a ban from the channel for your own purposes I imagine you will soon be successful.


As a moderator I am unfortunately duty bound to make you aware of this.



So you claim the channel is built to favor the opinion of the Amarr? Specifically, the Cardinal?
What happened to all views/aspects of New Eden?

EDIT: FYI characters are going to spit in a number of people's faces all the time because of where they come from and who they are. Victims of Sansha are one of the main points Miss Dea is referencing as an example of this.
Iwan Terpalen
Doomheim
#167 - 2013-11-05 21:44:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Iwan Terpalen
Mildly entertaining, despite the predictable pattern and inevitable conclusion. Like watching flies circling a bug zapper.
Isis Dea
Society of Adrift Hope
#168 - 2013-11-05 21:45:25 UTC
Saber1 wrote:

So you claim the channel is built to favor the opinion of the Amarr? Specifically, the Cardinal?
What happened to all views/aspects of New Eden?

EDIT: FYI characters are going to spit in a number of people's faces all the time because of where they come from and who they are. Victims of Sansha are one of the main points Miss Dea is referencing as an example of this.


And you beat me to it.

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Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#169 - 2013-11-05 22:27:21 UTC
Isis Dea wrote:

So… ignore all substance of the argument because I'm disliked by a majority, especially where I'd go as far as to argue that majority are power-creeps?

I find it cute how you seek to dodge the argument. But then again, it might be because you're looking to be included in this little club of theirs.


The substance was lost in your own irritating attitude, I don't need the opinions of others to help me formulate my own.

Especially opinions that come from people I hold no reason to want to associate with. Of course feel free to impersonate an Ostrich, stick your head in the sand and yell loudly that everyone is just grouping up together to pick on you.

Poor innocent, unassuming you.

Don't worry, your ego will keep you company, that and your sock puppet.

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.
Isis Dea
Society of Adrift Hope
#170 - 2013-11-05 22:38:17 UTC
Caellach Marellus wrote:
Isis Dea wrote:

So… ignore all substance of the argument because I'm disliked by a majority, especially where I'd go as far as to argue that majority are power-creeps?

I find it cute how you seek to dodge the argument. But then again, it might be because you're looking to be included in this little club of theirs.


The substance was lost in your own irritating attitude, I don't need the opinions of others to help me formulate my own.

Especially opinions that come from people I hold no reason to want to associate with. Of course feel free to impersonate an Ostrich, stick your head in the sand and yell loudly that everyone is just grouping up together to pick on you.

Poor innocent, unassuming you.

Don't worry, your ego will keep you company, that and your sock puppet.


Attitude be that irritating to you, eh? I question your neutrality, again.

The only people I've attacked have been the channel favorites, partners, and moderators. For you to take offense means you're somehow trying to include yourself there.

Consider yourself amongst the accused then, since you're so determined to be there.

Only now you're clearly mad and have stopped contributing anything worthy of note.

More Character Customization :: Especially compared to what we had in 2003...
Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#171 - 2013-11-05 22:45:33 UTC
Still waiting for the list of "everyone" who considers you Graelyn's equal.

Or were you exaggerating your qualifications?

Sabik now, Sabik forever
Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#172 - 2013-11-05 22:45:52 UTC
You don't need to be offended to find something irritating.

As I said, continue to stick your head in the sand and blame everyone but yourself.

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.
Isis Dea
Society of Adrift Hope
#173 - 2013-11-05 22:53:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Isis Dea
Silas Vitalia wrote:
Still waiting for the list of "everyone" who considers you Graelyn's equal.

Or were you exaggerating your qualifications?



I could care less who else might consider me an equal. I consider myself an equal; as much as the True Slaves consider themselves worthy of contributing even if their presence offends a great many.

And why would I paint you a string of names you can additionally bully?

Or even ban?

No, you can reap me and only me (I'd prefer). Truth should never carry such a price.

More Character Customization :: Especially compared to what we had in 2003...
Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#174 - 2013-11-05 23:05:16 UTC
Isis Dea wrote:
Silas Vitalia wrote:
Still waiting for the list of "everyone" who considers you Graelyn's equal.

Or were you exaggerating your qualifications?



I could care less who else might consider me an equal. I consider myself an equal; as much as the True Slaves consider themselves worthy of contributing even if their presence offends a great many.

And why would I paint you a string of names you can additionally bully?

Or even ban?

No, you can reap me and only me (I'd prefer). Truth should never carry such a price.




Isis Dea wrote:


Did you know that everyone considers you and I are now equals?



This is your statement regarding the Cardinal.

You will choose to prove this, or you will henceforth by definition be a liar.

And as stated before so long as you don't break any channel rules you are more than welcome to stay and enjoy the company of others. Enjoy your stay in the summit!





Sabik now, Sabik forever
Isis Dea
Society of Adrift Hope
#175 - 2013-11-05 23:09:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Isis Dea
Silas Vitalia wrote:

This is your statement regarding the Cardinal.

You will choose to prove this, or you will henceforth by definition be a liar.

And as stated before so long as you don't break any channel rules you are more than welcome to stay and enjoy the company of others. Enjoy your stay in the summit!



Oh no, that opinion has been and can be purely from the opinions of the empires and the mortals.

Unless all you care about are the opinions of other immortals?

In that case I'll certainly never be a favorite. As my life's profession is highlighting how incredibly foul you really are…




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Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#176 - 2013-11-05 23:11:37 UTC
So this has turned from a legitimate gripe about Kuvakei's minions as moderators... into a full on attack against the channel moderation team itself?

Katrina Oniseki
Isis Dea
Society of Adrift Hope
#177 - 2013-11-05 23:13:00 UTC
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
So this has turned from a legitimate gripe about Kuvakei's minions as moderators... into a full on attack against the channel moderation team itself?


A little overdue since this entire topic has been an attack on the original poster.

Eye for an eye. If that's how people want to play this game, we'll play it their way.



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Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#178 - 2013-11-05 23:16:19 UTC
Isis Dea wrote:
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
So this has turned from a legitimate gripe about Kuvakei's minions as moderators... into a full on attack against the channel moderation team itself?


A little overdue since this entire topic has been an attack on the original poster.

Eye for an eye. If that's how people want to play this game, we'll play it their way.


I'm a bit confused as to what goal you're aiming for now.

Are you attempting to prove a point of biased moderation by getting banned for attacking us?
Are you trying to get us to remove Tiberious as a moderator?
Are you trying to draw attention to how you're being treated here?

In the ideal scenario, what would happen for you to be satisfied with the outcome of this thread?

Katrina Oniseki
Saber1
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#179 - 2013-11-05 23:18:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Saber1
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
Isis Dea wrote:
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
So this has turned from a legitimate gripe about Kuvakei's minions as moderators... into a full on attack against the channel moderation team itself?


A little overdue since this entire topic has been an attack on the original poster.

Eye for an eye. If that's how people want to play this game, we'll play it their way.


I'm a bit confused as to what goal you're aiming for now.

Are you attempting to prove a point of biased moderation by getting banned for attacking us?
Are you trying to get us to remove Tiberious as a moderator?
Are you trying to draw attention to how you're being treated here?

In the ideal scenario, what would happen for you to be satisfied with the outcome of this thread?


I think Miss Dea aims to enlighten everyone to how much of a joke your channel really is.


EDIT: But seriously, I think it's about time everyone stopped posting and let this channel die in peace.
Bai'xao Meiyi
#180 - 2013-11-05 23:22:30 UTC
I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. 16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. - Book of Missions.

The Covenant, Guristas and Nation, united only in their mutual hatred of the Amarr and Caldari. Nation even stealing members from the other two, enslaving the minds of even the only two factions willing to tolerate the existence of the Nation. Nation are cold, frozen. But all who would seek to tolerate them are lukewarm. A man who would stand by while someone before him committed the worst of crimes against humanity, is just as soulless and corrupted.

Neutrality for the Sansha, supporting the Nation and accepting them as friends are grounds for being stamped out with them.

Graelyn wrote:
Isis Dea wrote:
I think it's about time this channel stops being recognized in any official capacity.
I'm now reaching out to the appropriate parties. I recommend others do the same.


Oh look, this catchrag is still posting.

Bleat and sob whatever you like to whomever would submit themselves to your wailing.

I Am True Amarr. I administrate my Holdings to the standards by which they are given unto my charge, by whatever means I see fit, worm.

If a Discarded Slave Bangtoy like you intends to question a Holder's will, no matter the subject, I've got a Holy Sceptre you can apply your only skillset to.


This is by far the most despicable thing I've ever heard from a priest of any kind. Arrogant, disgusting, racist, violent, utterly unnecessary and deeply educational as to just what sort of people guard the Amarr faith. People who will gladly side with a criminal organization of soul destroying infidels who abduct millions hailing from his own faith at every opportunity and a psychopathic Blood Raider who gladly puts thousands of lives in peril, simply for gambling's sake just to spew forth filth at an ex slave.

The fact that you share a title with Kithrus, disgusts me. Such a vile little man gets to be on the same level as him, is trusted to educate anyone on morality and faith.