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Creating an alt specializing in datacore research (edit: or something else)
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Na Und
Galactronics
#1 - 2013-11-05 00:45:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Na Und
I posted this question on an unrelated thread in GD, and got no nibbles.

I am an alt. My main has reached a crossroad with regard to his training, and I am thinking of giving him a rest while I ponder his next move. I would like to use the opportunity to train myself in order to generate some passive income.

So I have a few big questions, and possibly more:


what skills should I train, and which should I avoid?

do I still need to train combat skills in order to grind for higher-level Research Agents?

should I assume +3 implants will get me on the way?



Yes, I Googled, but the information is dated.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#2 - 2013-11-05 01:24:23 UTC
You don't see much on it because RP is basically worthless right now.

Actually, scratch that. Just ran the numbers (using this, which is awesome) and it's not basically worthless, it loses money per datacore converted. It appears that Quantum Physics and Rocket Science are just short of breaking even.

If you're going to pick up those skills, you'll want to seriously consider moving into invention. That's far from passive income though
Caldari 5
D.I.L.L.I.G.A.F. S.A.S
Affirmative.
#3 - 2013-11-05 02:26:48 UTC
If you have Multiple Accounts then train Social Skills, Research Skills on Datacore alt, and then Fleet them with a Main running missions to get the required Standings to use the Research Agent. Some of the research corps also have Medical Facilities so getting additional Jump Clones for your main is a side effect.
Saleani Tsolyani
Bey Su
#4 - 2013-11-05 07:19:34 UTC
Social skills needed:
Social - to get better standing gains.
Connections - to be able to get missions with lower raw standing.

Science skills: you know what you need.

You can do courier or mining missions to suck up to the corps.
http://eve-agents.com/
http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/research_agents.php

PI will give you better income than R&D especially when you take into account the time and effort grinding missions for standing. Although R&D agents will reduce your invention costs.
Kyt Thrace
Lightspeed Enterprises
Goonswarm Federation
#5 - 2013-11-05 15:35:39 UTC
Saleani Tsolyani wrote:
Although R&D agents will reduce your invention costs.


Also if you do not know, mining your own minerals will also reduce your manufacturing costs.


I am being sarcastic. :P

R.I.P. Vile Rat
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#6 - 2013-11-05 17:10:21 UTC
Kyt Thrace wrote:
Saleani Tsolyani wrote:
Although R&D agents will reduce your invention costs.


Also if you do not know, mining your own minerals will also reduce your manufacturing costs.


Sigh. Look at the math above. This isn't even MIMAF; you're actually increasing your damn invention costs by farming your own datacores.

R&D used to be a decently profitable passive income. Now it isn't.
voetius
Grundrisse
#7 - 2013-11-05 17:25:34 UTC
Actually I replied to your post, but it was on the next page. This is what I posted (to save you going back to dig around) :

I think Tau is referring to researching BPOs rather than accessing R&D agents to farm datacores.

Datacore farming is worth so little now I would seriously advise you not to do it, it's a month or more of skill training that you could use more profitably elsewhere. Look up the skill Research Project Management ingame and look at the time on the prerequisites tab that is how much time you will need to start training the skill that gives you access to more than one R&D agent, then you need to add in training each of the XXX Physics or Engineering skills to IV for L4 R&D agents (about 3 days each skill, 19 possible skills) .

OTOH if you really really like the idea of R&D agents, faction standing gives you access as well, so IMO you'd be better grinding faction that standing with a single corp (and it's useful in other ways as well, access to all agents of that faction, locators etc).
Carek Talen
Another Corp.
#8 - 2013-11-05 18:48:32 UTC
Zhilia Mann wrote:
it loses money per datacore converted


The cost to convert each datacore is 10000 (ten thousand) isk. The sell price of each datacore is at least ten times that.
Perhaps the little red numbers on the page you quoted are misleading you?

The profit for each agent is around 3M/month(and you need to travel to the agent to collect the datacores). IMHO not worth doing unless you already have the required skills and standings.
Na Und
Galactronics
#9 - 2013-11-05 19:06:24 UTC
Well . . . just damn. What the hell do I do with this character, then?

This alt is not a ganker. Essentially, she is a placeholder in a one-(wo)man corp. I'm not going to biomass her, because she has Black Market Trading trained to I. Big smile

I should add that I pay for one account, and the day I pay for another (via PLEX or $), is the day I admit that my mom was correct all along . . . I am a loser.
Saleani Tsolyani
Bey Su
#10 - 2013-11-05 19:49:18 UTC
Ok, so how does the math on that page work?

I pay 10,000 isk per ME datacore from my R&D agent, or 90,000-110,000+ isk from the marketplace. Why does that page claim I'll lose 2,000 isk per day? Depending on the month, I go through up to 500 ME datacores during the month. If I don't do the daily missions, 24/month can come from one R&D agent. What am I missing? Judging by the other posters, I think they don't see the math either.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#11 - 2013-11-05 23:02:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
/facepalm

Apparently some (all?) people can't read.

Profitability of R&D Agents wrote:
TOP 20 most profitable R&D agents
(change of positions for the period: 2013-10-29 => 2013-11-02)


The numbers in red or green are the changes. The numbers in black are the ones you should be looking at.

Profitability of R&D Agents wrote:
The columns "ISK/day" and "ISK/month" take account of these changes, so the total profit, that is displaying in these columns is decreased by 10 000 ISK per datacore

Example:

Position = 1
Agent = Arvalen Reurmanen
Corporation = Lai Dai Corporation
Station = • 0.8 Haajinen XI - Lai Dai Corporation Factory
Level = 4
Datacores Type = Quantum Physics
Cost = 139 997.00 (change -7 003.00)
Skill Level = 5
Datacore / Day = 1.1745
ISK / Day = 152 681.48 (change -8 225.02)
ISM / Month = 4 580 444.30 (change -246 750.71)

So max income with 5 agents is less than five times this, so <22.5m / month [also don't forget broker fees and transaction taxes, plus competition]
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#12 - 2013-11-05 23:43:42 UTC
Ugh. If that were the first time I'd misread that page it would be one thing. It isn't. Sigh.

None the less. That's awful money. PI is better than that even if you're running relatively inefficient single planet robotics setups.

But maybe one day I'll actually cash out a handful of datacores again. I appear to be about to hit 500k RP in total....
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#13 - 2013-11-05 23:53:12 UTC
Zhilia Mann wrote:
Ugh. If that were the first time I'd misread that page it would be one thing. It isn't. Sigh.

None the less. That's awful money. PI is better than that even if you're running relatively inefficient single planet robotics setups.

But maybe one day I'll actually cash out a handful of datacores again. I appear to be about to hit 500k RP in total....

I'm fairly certain one can do better than datacores by simply doing hisec extraction and processing for Oxygen and Water using a 3 day cycle.
Caldari 5
D.I.L.L.I.G.A.F. S.A.S
Affirmative.
#14 - 2013-11-06 00:48:02 UTC
If your income for a character is described as a cake, then Datacores is not the Cake, it is the trim of the Icing :P
It is not meant to be the primary income source, it is a supplement to whatever else you are doing.

I think I have about 15 research Agents that I'm currently accruing RP for, but I haven't checked the figures in about 6 months, I should have something decent buy the time that I decide to start inventing again, or decide to sell them.