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Dev Blog: Sisters Of EVE Ships

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Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#21 - 2013-11-05 17:23:34 UTC
Querns wrote:
Haha, nicely done with the Osmon stomp. Gotta love it.

One question -- the corp mentioned for the lower-cost blueprints is the "Sanctuary Corporation" -- does that refer to the NPC corporation "The Sanctuary," headquartered in X-7OMU, or a different, as-yet unreleased corporation?

Unfortunately, yes

inb4 people start kiling nullbear mission runners there Roll

CEO of Lanate Industries

Citizen of Solitude
JamDunc
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#22 - 2013-11-05 17:31:55 UTC
So whos space is The Sanctuary in? I am going to guess Goons, but you never know.

Its going to be worth a lot of money to whoever owns it.
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#23 - 2013-11-05 17:33:05 UTC
JamDunc wrote:
So whos space is The Sanctuary in? I am going to guess Goons, but you never know.

Its going to be worth a lot of money to whoever owns it.


Of course goons
Megnamon
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2013-11-05 17:38:19 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
l0rd carlos wrote:
Querns wrote:

One question -- the corp mentioned for the lower-cost blueprints is the "Sanctuary Corporation" -- does that refer to the NPC corporation "The Sanctuary," headquartered in X-7OMU, or a different, as-yet unreleased corporation?


Hidden Goon swarm buff ;-)


What is hidden about it?


Hidden in terms of that we just found out that the only station that sells them at regular price is in CFC territory... I usually try to keep my tinfoil hat "off", but this one smells of the stinky stink of stink to me.
Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#25 - 2013-11-05 17:41:43 UTC
Megnamon wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
l0rd carlos wrote:
Querns wrote:

One question -- the corp mentioned for the lower-cost blueprints is the "Sanctuary Corporation" -- does that refer to the NPC corporation "The Sanctuary," headquartered in X-7OMU, or a different, as-yet unreleased corporation?


Hidden Goon swarm buff ;-)


What is hidden about it?


Hidden in terms of that we just found out that the only station that sells them at regular price is in CFC territory... I usually try to keep my tinfoil hat "off", but this one smells of the stinky stink of stink to me.



As far as my limited research can tell. This system and the surrounding ones are owned by SOE and all their null stations are here. As far as i can tell they moved there before the goons did and long before these ships were planned /designed.
I think you all need to remove any remaining tin foil from your craft.

Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85
Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#26 - 2013-11-05 17:45:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Varius Xeral
Yeah, pretty sneaky of CCP to make SoE NPC 0.0 space all those years ago with the foreknowledge that Goonswarm-affiliated alliances would control the surrounding sovereign space when they decided to roll out these new ships.

CCP should probably put this supernatural foresight to better uses...like trying to compete with BF4.

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JamDunc
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#27 - 2013-11-05 17:48:54 UTC
Varius Xeral wrote:
Yeah, pretty sneaky of CCP to make SoE NPC 0.0 space all those years ago with the foreknowledge that Goonswarm-affiliated alliances would control the surrounding sovereign space when they decided to roll out these new ships.

CCP should probably put this supernatural foresight to better uses...like trying to compete with BF4.


I guess its just natural to wonder how the plans CCP implement tend to benefit goons over most other groups. I think Goons are just crazy lucky :-)
mynnna
State War Academy
Caldari State
#28 - 2013-11-05 17:51:37 UTC  |  Edited by: mynnna
JamDunc wrote:
So whos space is The Sanctuary in? I am going to guess Goons, but you never know.

Its going to be worth a lot of money to whoever owns it.


Availability in highsec means highsec mission runners will basically cap the price. Figure that cap will be around 900 isk/LP from the highsec offer. If the highest offer is 50% more expensive than the nullsec offer, that doubles the isk/LP from the nullsec offer, so you're looking at 1900-2k isk/LP tops.

By comparison, a Crystal implant gets you about 2900-3200 isk/LP, depending on which one you choose.

It'd be possible for someone heavily farming the nullsec agent to squeeze the highsec guys out of the market, of course, but if they do that they're throwing their own profit away by shrinking their isk/LP factor. They'd need to drive the highsec offer probably down below 500 isk/LP, and of course as soon as they raise prices to cash in, people in highsec can go straight back to farming.

All that adds up to is that this isn't the nullsec cash cow it appears to be. Now if they'd been set exclusive to Sanctuary, well, that would be another matter. I'm sure Dinsdale will be back around shortly to tell us all how CCP will remove the highsec agents in Rubicon 1.1, though.


e: Of course I could be wrong. Sisters launchers manage to hold 2k+ isk/LP despite being available in highsec.

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Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#29 - 2013-11-05 17:53:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Silvetica Dian
JamDunc wrote:
Varius Xeral wrote:
Yeah, pretty sneaky of CCP to make SoE NPC 0.0 space all those years ago with the foreknowledge that Goonswarm-affiliated alliances would control the surrounding sovereign space when they decided to roll out these new ships.

CCP should probably put this supernatural foresight to better uses...like trying to compete with BF4.


I guess its just natural to wonder how the plans CCP implement tend to benefit goons over most other groups. I think Goons are just crazy lucky :-)



That is my thinking too.
When i win it was skill and cunning.
When someone else wins it was luck.

Would i also be right in thinking that no one moaning about this does mission in low or null anyway making all this rather moot?

Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85
Tara Tyrael
Quantum Anomaly Corporation
#30 - 2013-11-05 18:00:07 UTC
Yea, looking at numbers, it's unlikely that highsec one will ever manage to hold 2000 ISK/LP conversion

Sisters of EVE / Food Relief (Available in Highsec)
Astero - 100.000 LP + 10.000.000 ISK
--> 2.000 ISK Per LP suggests price on market at: 210.000.000 ISK
Stratios - 300.000 LP + 20.000.000 ISK
--> 2.000 ISK Per LP suggests price on market at: 620.000.000 ISK

Astero 1 run BPC - 30.000 LP + 15.000.000 ISK
--> 2.000 ISK Per LP suggests price on market at: 75.000.000 ISK (add few million for mats)
Stratios 1 run BPC - 120.000 LP + 30.000.000 ISK
--> 2.000 ISK Per LP suggests price on market at: 270.000.000 ISK (add few million for mats)


The Sanctuary (Not available in Highsec)
Astero - 100.000 LP + 10.000.000 ISK
--> 2.000 ISK Per LP suggests price on market at: 165.000.000 ISK
Stratios - 240.000 LP + 15.000.000 ISK
--> 2.000 ISK Per LP suggests price on market at: 495.000.000 ISK

Astero 1 run BPC - 20.000 LP + 10.000.000 ISK
--> 2.000 ISK Per LP suggests price on market at: 50.000.000 ISK (add few million for mats)
Stratios 1 run BPC - 80.000 LP + 20.000.000 ISK
--> 2.000 ISK Per LP suggests price on market at: 180.000.000 ISK (add few million for mats)

Again, I'm guessing nobody will buy the ship itself since you need like Indy I to build it, and its far cheaper, so we are looking at most at 75 mill for frigate and 270 mill per cruiser. Knowing that lots of ships already have about 600-700 ISK per LP cost, would not be wild to expect frigate to settle at 30-35 million and cruiser at 100-110 million ISK
stoicfaux
#31 - 2013-11-05 18:08:59 UTC  |  Edited by: stoicfaux
Quote:
Only the Sanctuary Corporation, who are credited with actually creating the Stratios and Astero, will offer them at the normal pirate faction prices. If you get them from the Sisters of EVE Corporation in high security space get ready for a mark-up of up to 50%.

Does that mean if you purchase from SoE in Low or Null sec, the markup will be less than 50% high-sec markup? Duh, the Sanctuary is an SoE corp. Nevermind.

And what does "price" mean? ISK, LP, items, some or all of the above?

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Tara Tyrael
Quantum Anomaly Corporation
#32 - 2013-11-05 18:12:54 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
Quote:
Only the Sanctuary Corporation, who are credited with actually creating the Stratios and Astero, will offer them at the normal pirate faction prices. If you get them from the Sisters of EVE Corporation in high security space get ready for a mark-up of up to 50%.

Does that mean if you purchase from SoE in Low or Null sec, the markup will be less than 50% high-sec markup?

And what does "price" mean? ISK, LP, items, some or all of the above?



Look one post above you, highsec prices are 50% higher then low/null
Lilliana Stelles
#33 - 2013-11-05 18:32:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Lilliana Stelles
mynnna wrote:
JamDunc wrote:
So whos space is The Sanctuary in? I am going to guess Goons, but you never know.

Its going to be worth a lot of money to whoever owns it.


Availability in highsec means highsec mission runners will basically cap the price. Figure that cap will be around 900 isk/LP from the highsec offer. If the highest offer is 50% more expensive than the nullsec offer, that doubles the isk/LP from the nullsec offer, so you're looking at 1900-2k isk/LP tops.

By comparison, a Crystal implant gets you about 2900-3200 isk/LP, depending on which one you choose.

It'd be possible for someone heavily farming the nullsec agent to squeeze the highsec guys out of the market, of course, but if they do that they're throwing their own profit away by shrinking their isk/LP factor. They'd need to drive the highsec offer probably down below 500 isk/LP, and of course as soon as they raise prices to cash in, people in highsec can go straight back to farming.

All that adds up to is that this isn't the nullsec cash cow it appears to be. Now if they'd been set exclusive to Sanctuary, well, that would be another matter. I'm sure Dinsdale will be back around shortly to tell us all how CCP will remove the highsec agents in Rubicon 1.1, though.


e: Of course I could be wrong. Sisters launchers manage to hold 2k+ isk/LP despite being available in highsec.



I think the reason for that is that the sisters grind sucks, even in highsec. (Having recently gone through it myself). The level 2 and 3 agents have a strong tendency to send you to lowsec every few missions, and there are very few agents in highsec in general, so you're forced to either risk your ship (and those systems have certainly been camped), or constantly wait your four hour cooldown, until you get to level 4s and can safely return to Osmon.

Despite that, I agree in that the majority of LP will come from highsec, and will be the controlling factor in the supply/demand curve. It's just too easy to do 50% more missions in highsec. In general though, even with the changes, SOE will never compete with the Navy factions. Compared to the LP generated by Ichoriya mission runner and Caldari FW, for example, we can expect these to be truly "pirate" prices, and not the next navy drakes.

Edit: Why do these ships cost three times as much as their blueprints? Will they require Tech 2 components and manufacturing skills to compensate?

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Jarem Sothra
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2013-11-05 18:49:23 UTC
Can't wait for the first faction covert ops bomber... mmm, just thinking of it now *drools*
Angry Mustache
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#35 - 2013-11-05 19:30:47 UTC
Lilliana Stelles wrote:


I think the reason for that is that the sisters grind sucks, even in highsec. (Having recently gone through it myself). The level 2 and 3 agents have a strong tendency to send you to lowsec every few missions, and there are very few agents in highsec in general, so you're forced to either risk your ship (and those systems have certainly been camped), or constantly wait your four hour cooldown, until you get to level 4s and can safely return to Osmon.



well, for people with patience, the SOE arc grants an amazing sisters standing boost, and can be done fairly quickly in an assault frigate. One run-through is enough to put you from 0 to 3.5ish. It's repeatable every 3 months so everyone not a complete newbie can go re-run it for the standings boost.

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Celeste Taylor
Ruby Dynasty
#36 - 2013-11-05 19:33:06 UTC
Koban Agalder wrote:
Rees Noturana wrote:
I'm at work right now. What are normal LP prices for pirate frigates and cruisers?

80k lp for blueprint. Current SiSi stats for SoE cruiser is 120k lp & 30M Isk for blueprint.


Nice, I can afford a few of those. I almost have enough for a Sisters Omega implant, but it looks as though a couple of these ships might be able to fetch about the same amount of ISK for less LP.
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#37 - 2013-11-05 19:34:32 UTC
Sadly these ships fail at their intended goal.
Drones are not as 'sustainable' over a long deployment as they used to be with the AI now.
And the ships fail at being viable laser ships for the most part.

Meaning they don't actually fit the advertised roles.
They will be great to use paired with something in low/null instead of a Cov Ops frigate if you have good scanning skills to make up that difference since they bring decent DPS to the table instead of just probes, but they aren't going to be a massive low/null solo combat site machine.
Ashina Sito
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2013-11-05 19:38:03 UTC
mynnna wrote:
JamDunc wrote:
So whos space is The Sanctuary in? I am going to guess Goons, but you never know.

Its going to be worth a lot of money to whoever owns it.


Availability in highsec means highsec mission runners will basically cap the price. Figure that cap will be around 900 isk/LP from the highsec offer. If the highest offer is 50% more expensive than the nullsec offer, that doubles the isk/LP from the nullsec offer, so you're looking at 1900-2k isk/LP tops.

By comparison, a Crystal implant gets you about 2900-3200 isk/LP, depending on which one you choose.

It'd be possible for someone heavily farming the nullsec agent to squeeze the highsec guys out of the market, of course, but if they do that they're throwing their own profit away by shrinking their isk/LP factor. They'd need to drive the highsec offer probably down below 500 isk/LP, and of course as soon as they raise prices to cash in, people in highsec can go straight back to farming.

All that adds up to is that this isn't the nullsec cash cow it appears to be. Now if they'd been set exclusive to Sanctuary, well, that would be another matter. I'm sure Dinsdale will be back around shortly to tell us all how CCP will remove the highsec agents in Rubicon 1.1, though.


e: Of course I could be wrong. Sisters launchers manage to hold 2k+ isk/LP despite being available in highsec.


This post sums it all up.

The only thing that is missing is that 0.0 mission running gets more LP per mission. Still with large numbers and easy mission running High sec players will be the ones controlling the price.
Aryth
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2013-11-05 19:43:37 UTC
Is the intention for there to be 2 types of cruiser. One in high and one from null? With slightly different stats? Or is the 2nd kind some sorta giveaway ship?

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Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#40 - 2013-11-05 20:34:06 UTC
Graygor wrote:
These look very tasty indeed.

Though I'm a tad sad with the graph.

Would have been interesting to see SoE LP vs Caldari Navy or Fed Navy for example.

What graph? Graphs have an X AND Y axis. That is just a meaningless set of squiggles.

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