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CCP breaking the law and causing gambling addiction/ rl problems through their promotions

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Sheldor Amouh
#41 - 2013-11-04 04:12:53 UTC
I know this may not be the part of the post I was supposed to focus on, what with all the capping and bolding and underlining and emphatic punctuation, but how does one precisely determine someones age from their voice? I ask because people (ie strangers known as telemarketers) started calling me sir and askinif I was "the man of the house" when I was around nine.

Btw, online, capping and bolding and underlineing and emphatic punctuation are the equivilant of screaming like a raving mad man. Not really the way to be taken seriously.

Buzzards gotta eat, same as worms.
Greenmachine Sale
Cathars
#42 - 2013-11-04 05:06:04 UTC
I love bad bitches, that's my fuckin problem
And yeah I like to ****, I got a fuckin problem

bad promotions!
adarma
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#43 - 2013-11-04 05:35:18 UTC
Erotica 1 wrote:
This is not the way to complain about Somer.

Eve is a niche game. Please stop trying to make it mainstream, nerfing all of its uniqueness.

If people want to be ******** in a video game (such as playing Somer with large sums all day every day), we should let them, and point fingers and laugh.

That's how people learn lessons. Maybe then they will learn something and act better in the real world.

You don't like gambling? Then don't gamble and leave people alone to make their own ******* decisions rather than nerfing everything to "perfection."



It is an established fact that gamblers rarely learn in RL. They keep playing, losing and end up destroying their lives. They need help to stop them and not an incentive for more gambling.
NickyYo
modro
The Initiative.
#44 - 2013-11-04 09:52:48 UTC
Cat Casidy wrote:
why did you bold and underline the word holiday?


Why you think? didn't CCP give Somer eve vegas holidays to be won through gambling? and say i bought GTC to try win. That by law is real gambling and requires a license..

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Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#45 - 2013-11-04 10:21:28 UTC
I lost about 100M ISK on the gambling sites, then i stopped playing those games. It is addicting, there is adrenaline, risk, and a need to try your luck, and always when I was thinking about cashing out, the inner voice said "you need one more game to win, one more game..."

So I stopped at 100M mark, it was not a lot of ISK for me back in the time, but why feed the inner "greed monster"? It will grow stronger occasionally.

Certain people know when to stop, others don't.

Custom ship skins, character creator style "repaint". Bring it!
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2013-11-04 10:24:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
I play 100mil a day. Two days ago, I won 100mil back. Yesterday, I lost the 100mil. All of it. Today, I won 124mil back. You win some, you lose some, but at the end of the day, it is all about personal responsibility and self-control. If you're playing with more than you can afford to lose, you have a problem. And it's your problem, and nobody else's.

Also... please specify which law is being broken and which country it applies to.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Frying Doom
#47 - 2013-11-04 10:33:22 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
I play 100mil a day. Two days ago, I won 100mil back. Yesterday, I lost the 100mil. All of it. Today, I won 124mil back. You win some, you lose some, but at the end of the day, it is all about personal responsibility and self-control. If you're playing with more than you can afford to lose, you have a problem. And it's your problem, and nobody else's.

Also... please specify which law is being broken and which country it applies to.

Well as you are Australian
Wikipedia wrote:
Australia

On 28 June 2001 the Australian Government passed the Interactive Gambling Act 2001 (IGA). The government said that the IGA was important to protect Australians from the harmful effects of gambling.

The IGA targets the providers of interactive gambling services. The IGA makes it an offence to provide an interactive gambling service to a customer physically present in Australia, but it is not an offence for Australian residents to play poker or casino games online. In stark contrast to the USA, sports betting online is also completely legal in Australia, with many state government licensed sportsbooks in operation, such as Centrebet, Sportingbet & Betfair.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#48 - 2013-11-04 10:52:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Frying Doom wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
I play 100mil a day. Two days ago, I won 100mil back. Yesterday, I lost the 100mil. All of it. Today, I won 124mil back. You win some, you lose some, but at the end of the day, it is all about personal responsibility and self-control. If you're playing with more than you can afford to lose, you have a problem. And it's your problem, and nobody else's.

Also... please specify which law is being broken and which country it applies to.

Well as you are Australian
Wikipedia wrote:
Australia

On 28 June 2001 the Australian Government passed the Interactive Gambling Act 2001 (IGA). The government said that the IGA was important to protect Australians from the harmful effects of gambling.

The IGA targets the providers of interactive gambling services. The IGA makes it an offence to provide an interactive gambling service to a customer physically present in Australia, but it is not an offence for Australian residents to play poker or casino games online. In stark contrast to the USA, sports betting online is also completely legal in Australia, with many state government licensed sportsbooks in operation, such as Centrebet, Sportingbet & Betfair.


Please don't quote mine a Wiki page at me without actually reading the Act, and its subsequent reviews and corresponding research, in full, and establishing a complete understanding of the Act, or heed this, I will write an epic wall of text outlining every single point that you think might apply to this, and then explain exactly why it doesn't.

I know the Act quite well, I was one of its protesters. I can write that wall of text without even looking up all the research I already have bookmarked, but in short, this Act's problem, just like with every other Act of this nature, is that it cannot be enforced. The other big point is that it only, specifically applies to gambling with real money, for real prizes. While one might argue that buying a GTC with real money then using the isk to gamble is exactly the same thing, this is actually the point where the Act cannot be enforced, because you're not actually using real money for the act of gambling itself, and you are not winning prizes that can be exchanged for real money in any way.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Frying Doom
#49 - 2013-11-04 10:56:43 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
I play 100mil a day. Two days ago, I won 100mil back. Yesterday, I lost the 100mil. All of it. Today, I won 124mil back. You win some, you lose some, but at the end of the day, it is all about personal responsibility and self-control. If you're playing with more than you can afford to lose, you have a problem. And it's your problem, and nobody else's.

Also... please specify which law is being broken and which country it applies to.

Well as you are Australian
Wikipedia wrote:
Australia

On 28 June 2001 the Australian Government passed the Interactive Gambling Act 2001 (IGA). The government said that the IGA was important to protect Australians from the harmful effects of gambling.

The IGA targets the providers of interactive gambling services. The IGA makes it an offence to provide an interactive gambling service to a customer physically present in Australia, but it is not an offence for Australian residents to play poker or casino games online. In stark contrast to the USA, sports betting online is also completely legal in Australia, with many state government licensed sportsbooks in operation, such as Centrebet, Sportingbet & Betfair.


Please don't quote mine a Wiki page at me without actually reading the Act, and its subsequent reviews and corresponding research, in full, and establishing a complete understanding of the Act, or heed this, I will write an epic wall of text outlining every single point that you think might apply to this, and then explain exactly why it doesn't.

I know the Act quite well, I was one of its protesters. I can write that wall of text without even looking up all the research I already have bookmarked, but in short, this Act's problem, just like with every other Act of this nature, is that it cannot be enforced. The other big point is that it only, specifically applies to gambling with real money, for real prizes. While one might argue that buying a GTC with real money then using the isk to gamble is exactly the same thing, this is actually the point where the Act cannot be enforced, because you're not actually using real money for the act of gambling itself, and you are not winning prizes that can be exchanged for real money in any way.

Actually I too read that review when it was released. I believe it actually states that its problem is that it cannot be enforced against overseas sites.

That however does not make those sites any less illegal now does it?

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#50 - 2013-11-04 10:59:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Frying Doom wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
I play 100mil a day. Two days ago, I won 100mil back. Yesterday, I lost the 100mil. All of it. Today, I won 124mil back. You win some, you lose some, but at the end of the day, it is all about personal responsibility and self-control. If you're playing with more than you can afford to lose, you have a problem. And it's your problem, and nobody else's.

Also... please specify which law is being broken and which country it applies to.

Well as you are Australian
Wikipedia wrote:
Australia

On 28 June 2001 the Australian Government passed the Interactive Gambling Act 2001 (IGA). The government said that the IGA was important to protect Australians from the harmful effects of gambling.

The IGA targets the providers of interactive gambling services. The IGA makes it an offence to provide an interactive gambling service to a customer physically present in Australia, but it is not an offence for Australian residents to play poker or casino games online. In stark contrast to the USA, sports betting online is also completely legal in Australia, with many state government licensed sportsbooks in operation, such as Centrebet, Sportingbet & Betfair.


Please don't quote mine a Wiki page at me without actually reading the Act, and its subsequent reviews and corresponding research, in full, and establishing a complete understanding of the Act, or heed this, I will write an epic wall of text outlining every single point that you think might apply to this, and then explain exactly why it doesn't.

I know the Act quite well, I was one of its protesters. I can write that wall of text without even looking up all the research I already have bookmarked, but in short, this Act's problem, just like with every other Act of this nature, is that it cannot be enforced. The other big point is that it only, specifically applies to gambling with real money, for real prizes. While one might argue that buying a GTC with real money then using the isk to gamble is exactly the same thing, this is actually the point where the Act cannot be enforced, because you're not actually using real money for the act of gambling itself, and you are not winning prizes that can be exchanged for real money in any way.

Actually I too read that review when it was released. I believe it actually states that its problem is that it cannot be enforced against overseas sites.

That however does not make those sites any less illegal now does it?


There's more than one review, derp. Did you not notice I used the plural 'reviews' up there? Seriously, wall of text incoming if you are going to keep pretending you know what you're talking about....

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Dex Thunakar
Evil Genius Organisation
#51 - 2013-11-04 11:01:38 UTC
LOL.... who cares... you think people cant gamble on their own in private? There's no age requirement for that lol...
People have been gambling since... well, forever... it isn't a big deal unless you make one out of it.

And BTW, those guys didn't "lose" their money... it wasn't taken away from them... they gambled it away, making a conscious decision. You can't just go and bet all your money on something and then complain when you didn't win.
Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#52 - 2013-11-04 11:05:27 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
the gambling known as business looks with disfavour upon the business known as gambling
That's pretty deep.


I heard people gamble and lose huge sums speculating on the Jita market.
Ban markets imo.

Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85
Jim McMorris
McMorris Co.
#53 - 2013-11-04 11:11:36 UTC
There needs to more safeguards to protect the children of EVE.

[b]Chief Executive Officer McMorris Co. EVE's Only Legitimate ISK Doubling Corporation[/b]
Fochhita Tsuruomo
State War Academy
Caldari State
#54 - 2013-11-04 11:22:07 UTC
As they say "new york" hey you never know Blink
Frying Doom
#55 - 2013-11-04 11:45:31 UTC
While I think its a bit silly but I will put this here

EULA wrote:
C. Children
(1) Responsibility for Account

Minor children may not establish an Account without the consent of a parent or guardian. If the user of EVE is a minor, a parent or guardian must complete the registration process to establish an Account, in which case the parent or guardian takes full responsibility for all obligations under the EULA and for all activities of the child using the Account. If you are a parent or guardian, you may permit one child to use the Account instead of you (in which case you may not use that Account).

If you establish an Account, you represent that you are an adult thirteen (13) years of age or older and are either accepting the EULA on behalf of yourself or on behalf of your child, in which latter case you agree to the EULA with regard to your child and represent that you are also personally bound by the EULA.


Read it and understand what it actually says Lol

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#56 - 2013-11-04 11:55:16 UTC
Adult 13 accepting the EULA on behalf of his child? Shocked

Custom ship skins, character creator style "repaint". Bring it!
Eto Tekai
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#57 - 2013-11-04 12:14:25 UTC
The first time I heard about Somer I knew it would get eve in trouble via international gamblings laws. You guys call troll and laugh, but some countries are dead serious when it comes to gambling.

I say CCP ask Somer to close up shop before lawsuits happen, and parts of the world ban the game.
Prince Kobol
#58 - 2013-11-04 12:24:06 UTC
Its funny how the thread went from ban gambling to ban somer...

If you want to argue that gambling is bad, fine, but that must include all forms a gambling including not only Somer, but Evebet, Evepoker etc any kind of lottery, whether it be on a website, forum, alliance only lotteries and in game lotteries.

Basically anything involving consideration, chance and prize would be considered gambling.
Prince Kobol
#59 - 2013-11-04 12:24:44 UTC
Eto Tekai wrote:
The first time I heard about Somer I knew it would get eve in trouble via international gamblings laws. You guys call troll and laugh, but some countries are dead serious when it comes to gambling.

I say CCP ask Somer to close up shop before lawsuits happen, and parts of the world ban the game.


*facepalm*
Eto Tekai
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#60 - 2013-11-04 12:29:02 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
Its funny how the thread went from ban gambling to ban somer...

If you want to argue that gambling is bad, fine, but that must include all forms a gambling including not only Somer, but Evebet, Evepoker etc any kind of lottery, whether it be on a website, forum, alliance only lotteries and in game lotteries.

Basically anything involving consideration, chance and prize would be considered gambling.






I agree, remove them all.