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So yeah sentrys OP much?

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Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#61 - 2013-11-03 01:07:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Benny Ohu
Benny Ohu wrote:
are you going to make me search it up? Sad

i was worried because searching these things is usually a hassle

fortunately for both of us, i'm great.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1827135#post1827135

e: oh you replied in the meantime :S
Jassmin Joy
Pulling The Plug
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
#62 - 2013-11-03 01:13:03 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
Benny Ohu wrote:
are you going to make me search it up? Sad

i was worried because searching these things is usually a hassle

fortunately for both of us, i'm great.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1827135#post1827135

e: oh you replied in the meantime :S


http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=14818622

Most if not all of the losses in that fight were reimbursed, perhaps we got lucky then.
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#63 - 2013-11-03 01:17:37 UTC
reimbursement santa works in mysterious ways
Kenrailae
Scrapyard Artificer's
Just Lizard
#64 - 2013-11-03 02:23:26 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
reimbursement santa works in mysterious ways



Which basically sums up how the GM's handle petitions, and how consistent they are in applying their own statements to them, read 'Changes to ToS and scamming Debacle.'


Not filing a petition to at least try would be silly then.


All in all, those damage figures are hard to get off well skilled, seiged dreads. Yes, Drone assist is broken, but this isn't about drone assist.

That ship was, as stated multiple times, very nearly out of triage, with another carrier still in triage next to it, and a third out of triage as well.

It really is hard to say what WOULD have happened. SS was withdrawing from the combat arena, but we were still stable enough to hold our ground. PL was on field in their ishtar fleet, which does have high alpha and damage projection. Who knows?

That ship being reimbursed though is also not the focus of this thread.


The focus is in and how sentry drones operate, how they can get both 2 damage and 129,000+ damage. CCP, Pls fix. Kinda important.

The Law is a point of View

The NPE IS a big deal
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#65 - 2013-11-03 03:03:44 UTC
Kenrailae wrote:
Not filing a petition to at least try would be silly then.

I agree
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That ship being reimbursed though is also not the focus of this thread.

sorry mate
Mnemosyne Gloob
#66 - 2013-11-03 03:12:53 UTC
Makalu Zarya wrote:
the carrier disappeared from 5% armor to dead


Wasn't there a 'fix' lately that had something to do with rats in structure? Maybe this introduced some weird effects to player flown ships, too.
Sebastian N Cain
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#67 - 2013-11-03 10:08:34 UTC
Makalu Zarya wrote:
...
as for petitioning the loss, he was going to die anyway, so i'm not sure what the point of this is, you should petition it as a bug, however the outcome would not be different, that carrier wasn't tanking in armor, there is no reason to think he was gonna tank in structure.

Well... he could have been extraordinarily manly...Cool

I got lost in thought... it was unfamiliar territory.
Icer Xx
Tempest Legion
#68 - 2013-11-04 07:35:09 UTC
So after 4 days of waiting. I get a response saying:

"After having looked at your ticket we have gone over the data we have at our end and we see no irregularities."

Well it seems I should train my dread pilots into an Ishtar then if this is pretty normal thing to happen apparently.

As for the "We" I want to know how many gm's dose it take to look at a log and see something is wrong?
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#69 - 2013-11-04 09:48:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Bagrat Skalski
Icer Xx wrote:
So after 4 days of waiting. I get a response saying:

"After having looked at your ticket we have gone over the data we have at our end and we see no irregularities."

Well it seems I should train my dread pilots into an Ishtar then if this is pretty normal thing to happen apparently.

As for the "We" I want to know how many gm's dose it take to look at a log and see something is wrong?


As always "logs show nothing" on CCP side. Even when opposing parties have the same log produced by the game, log that is strange... Maybe someone from CCP will be willing to express himself why the players logs show something else from CCP logs??? Roll

Custom ship skins, character creator style "repaint". Bring it!
Layla Firoue
Doomheim
#70 - 2013-11-04 12:54:51 UTC
Icer Xx wrote:
So after 4 days of waiting. I get a response saying:

"After having looked at your ticket we have gone over the data we have at our end and we see no irregularities."

Well it seems I should train my dread pilots into an Ishtar then if this is pretty normal thing to happen apparently.

As for the "We" I want to know how many gm's dose it take to look at a log and see something is wrong?



Escalate the petition to a senior GM.
"Logs show nothing" is CCPs generic answer to any petition involving pvp losses you hardly ever get any conclusive answer unless you escalate.
Alice Saki
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#71 - 2013-11-04 13:47:26 UTC
Wow... Log Shows Nothing.... Bravo CCP Bravo...

FREEZE! Drop the LIKES AND WALK AWAY! - Currenly rebuilding gaming machine, I will Return.
Mehashi 'Kho
New Eden Motion Pictures
#72 - 2013-11-04 13:57:11 UTC
Icer Xx wrote:
we see no irregularities.

Open your eyes, read a little, watch the video. Not good enough. Even if you aren't going to reimburse the guy, what happened is pretty damned irregular...
HollyShocker 2inthestink
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#73 - 2013-11-04 14:31:01 UTC
Buhhdust Princess wrote:
btw, Icer's spelling of "Thought" is correct in Irish, it's just the way he says it.

Also, this is pretty ridiculous to be honest! I don't really understand the OP Curator II.

Well it would not be the first time the troll brigade trolled itself.
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#74 - 2013-11-04 14:53:42 UTC
Icer Xx wrote:
As for the "We" I want to know how many gm's dose it take to look at a log and see something is wrong?

there was an entire committee of senior GMs formed today to determine just how much of nothing the logs showed
Yazzinra
Scorpion Ventures
#75 - 2013-11-04 16:07:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Yazzinra
is it possible the error is in the log, not the sentry?

presumably, Maka hits F1 (or whatever key triggers his sentries) causing his sentry drones to fire, this triggers the rest of the fleets sentry drones to fire via drone assist.

the logs misinterpret what happened so instead of Bob does 20 damage, bill does 22 damage, maka does 21 damage, it simple says Maka does 120k damage?

perhaps its the log that is wrong, not the drone?

just a thought that I hadn't read in this thread.
seth Hendar
I love you miners
#76 - 2013-11-04 16:09:50 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Dusty Daisy wrote:
Might not be related but i just had one of my sentry drones hit for 2 damage on a structure i was trying to destroy.

That sounds wrong too, but in the exact opposite direction. The lowest possible damage multiplier you're supposed to be able to have is ×0.5. Unless your sentries do somewhere around 10 HP base damage and/or the structure had some pretty insane resists (they never do), such a low damage shouldn't be possible either.

sentries are long broken, a month ago, we had to grind struct (mainly pocos / pos in low)

used a domi with sentrys

said sentrys were able to have a miss for around 1/3 of the shots, beside the fact they were at there exact optimal. on a freaking STRUCTURE!

drones are so broken this is ridiculous, but unfortunately, nothing new here, it's not like it is an ongoing issue for several years...
seth Hendar
I love you miners
#77 - 2013-11-04 16:28:40 UTC  |  Edited by: seth Hendar
Khrane wrote:
seth Hendar wrote:
Sala Cameron wrote:
We've noticed this as well and brought the problem forward to CCP, so they're aware of it.

tbh, i petitionned a few ship losses since a year where similar "weird" thing happen.

the answer was always the same: working has intended"

last one i even provided logs, showing the issue, the only answer i got was that CCP was not taking those as proof because of forged logs..... so yah, they aware, and they don't care....as usual....



This sounds different than your case because here there is a server side kill mail that shows the erroneous damage done by 2 Ishtars in conjunction with a video and client side logs.

Three distinct point of views all showing the same thing.

i do have a registered server side kill showing that the following loki:

Loki wrote:

Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers
Loki Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
Loki Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
Loki Propulsion - Chassis Optimization

Medium Energy Neutralizer II
4x 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II

Large Shield Extender II
Warp Disruptor II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
10MN Microwarpdrive II
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I

Damage Control II
3x Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II

3x Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

was destroyed after receiving 5214 damage

accoring to a GM, this is normal because:
"The damage displayed is the combined amount of hit points of your shield, armor and structure, as opposed to your effective hit points, which comes from calculating your total tank"

yet, 11628 + 2688 + 2014 - 5124 = i'm still ******* alive with 6504 HP left on my shield!!!!

(all value are RAW values indeed)

yet the kill is registered on my logs / killboards AND ingame killmail with 5124 damage Evil

fun thing, on the very same fight, a rohk died to an unusally low damage amount too (in the same proportion than my loki), and got the same answer from CCP.

so clearly, a bug occured at this time, and CCP denies
Tappits
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#78 - 2013-11-04 16:39:46 UTC
These sorts of problems are not new.

There’s an old 2005 Farjung vid “Wave of Mutilation” think its #2 were he insta volleys a freighters 100k hull in one shot. Farjung was able to see it when we was editing his vids and he got in contact with the guy and both of them petitioned it (he did not get the ship back as he was ****** anyway) and it probably got put in a queue of things broken that need fixing in a pile on someone’s desk.
seth Hendar
I love you miners
#79 - 2013-11-04 16:49:59 UTC
Tappits wrote:
These sorts of problems are not new.

There’s an old 2005 Farjung vid “Wave of Mutilation” think its #2 were he insta volleys a freighters 100k hull in one shot. Farjung was able to see it when we was editing his vids and he got in contact with the guy and both of them petitioned it (he did not get the ship back as he was ****** anyway) and it probably got put in a queue of things broken that need fixing in a pile on someone’s desk.

oh i know, i just wanted to point out that:

1- CCP is long aware of it

2- they don't even care

3- even if they know, they stil denies players from legitimate refund of assets lost to a bug
destiny2
Decaying Rocky Odious Non Evil Stupid Inane Nobody
Looking for Trouble
#80 - 2013-11-04 16:53:13 UTC
ive lost some ships in some strange ways as for damages but if their not a super or a titan i aint gonna complain :D