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True Caldari pilots have hybrid skills. You are not a Caldari pilot.

Now there's a man that see's why training Hybirds suck. Becouse after you do your going to try out Projectails and then smack yourself for spending the time you did on Hybirds.

And True Gallente pilots train hybirds skills too. But there is a reason that No hybird ships are in the top 20 and Gallente even get tracking/dmg bonus for hybirds and there still crap.

I mean droping a fleet full of Rokh/Hyperion/Megathron into a Major fleet battle and the opossing fleets going to laugh and have fun ganking a large number of your BS's in short order.

But drop in a fleet full of Dominix's and Rattlesnakes and they go damn this is going to be a tuff fight and it would be a more fair fight if drones got some of it's much needed love like low slot dmg modules and Drone Hardwiring.

And yes Cruise missiles and Trops need some much needed love too. As in they need to fly much faster to there targets then they do. They can cut back fly time to keep the same ranges they have now as they turn up the missile speed. It's not to much like rocket science. punt punt

The hole thing about: " iam caldari, i only skilled missiles therefor i demand a new toy this winter with missiles" is kinda foolish

The choosing of the race in EVE is nowadays only a cosmetic part (before remaps got live there were mostly/only achuras b/c of attributes) and since the start of eve you can train every skillbook which is available, so you dont have any restrictions about what to learn and what not.

The greed of missionrunners here, in particular caldari missionrunners who have trained only missiles and demand "justice" by giving the naga the opportunity to fit HML is kinda ridiculous ... i dont see any reason why the naga should get missile hardpoints!



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Naga, as the long range version of hybrids, performs quiet well, but lacks a bit of speed and cpu

Talos, as the short one, needs more cpu and a bit pg to get room for more options in the low... make the Talos more agile and give it more speed (5% under the tornado)

Oracle seems overall really fine, no problems here (but i have to ask: did it v3'ed as well? b/c the textures of it are kinda mehh)

Tornado needs a bit of nerfing (or projectiles in general) ... thats true iam asking for a nerf b/c the tornado is quiet to powerful at the current state

Overall iam satisfied about the new BC's... however, i dont like the idea about ships with oversize'd guns but here we are and i think they're going to perform well

I am well versed in Hybrids & Projectiles, & my missile skills are mediocre at best. But for the sake of variety, I would have liked to see Missile capable Nagas.

Making Naga's Hybrid only platforms also seems to suggest that CCP is unwilling to take the time or effort to make BS missile platforms viable for PVP.
I wouldn't mind Nagas going Hybrids if CCP says its willing to take a hard look at BS level missiles in PVP in the near future & consequently re add them to the Naga's, so that for the time being they are presumably acceptable ships at launch (with the hybid buff! & all) But thats unlikely looking at history. Once the ships go live, in this case, Nagas with only Hybrids, I have doubts as to CCP being willing to introduce Missile launchers back to Nagas because after all, how many times in the past has CCP changed the weapon systems of a ship!

In this day & age where almost everyone cross-trains, whether Caldari pilots are Hybrid capable or not shouldn't be the issue. If Hybrid capable pilots (whatever their race) want to use a hybrid platform ship, there's the Talos. Likewise with the other weapon platforms of Lazors & Projectiles. Having one for missiles is therefore nice. Atleast they'd excel at POS bashing , till CCP makes them PVP compatible.
The argument that releasing a ship that is allegedly useful in its role (hybrid Naga) as opposed to one which isn't as useful (Launcher Naga) has some merit (only if that assumption is true).
Personally I still see the outcome being the same regardless, as to the metagame which will favour Tornados & Oracles. Unless other changes are made, whether hybrid or launcher, the Naga (& sadly the Talos) will end up being underused compared to the other 2 BCs.

I also have doubts about CCP's insistence of a specific role for these Tier 3 BCs. While nice in theory, Pigeonholing has never really worked unless the ship performances are more or less comparable (eg, all racial bombers, tacklers,etc). As is mostly the case though, some ships vastly outperform the rest & in the end, the best ships are chosen for their particular role. Unless a new round of nerfs/buffs happens, all other ships of the same class are regulated to "use temporarily till you can fly the better ship", if the FC is lenient. Otherwise, its hanger duty for the rest.

p.s. Ctrl+C FTW! (Eve online Forum users, learn it.....its compulsory.)

I'll say it again..

• Naga keeps all hybrid bonuses
• 8 missile launcher hardpoints are added to the Naga
• Torpedo ship and fitting bonus added

=> You have a ship with railguns for long range, blasters AND torpedoes for close range combat.


Really, how complicated it is to understand?

I'll settle for the Launcher Hardpoints without bonus's, just to get 8 heavies on there!

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I was successfully running L4 missions in the Naga when it was still a torpedo boat (and I don't have T2 torp skills).

I'm not sure why people are convinced it was such a "fail" boat. I was having fun, then CCP took my shiny toy from me In the meantime, I still have the tengu I'm flying, and then the CNR to train into.

Who says so?

Is it forbidden to do L3s in a Vagabond or Retribution because it's not specifically designed to do so?
Part of the fun in EVE is to find fits to make a ship suited for a lot of tasks. If someone can do L4s in a Naga, let them.