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Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#61 - 2013-11-01 18:08:34 UTC
Grendel Sickswitch wrote:
EVE players like to tell people how "complex" and "deep" the game is, and when you start it certainly seems that way, but after a few weeks it becomes apparent that the game is no more complex than most and in fact, less so than many.

In EVE there are 5 things you can do;

PVP
missions
gathering (mining, salvaging, exploration)
manufacture
trade

In addition there are a few hundred skills that enable you to be a tiny bit better at one of the 5 activities.

This all happens in a few hundred areas that are all essentially the same.

and that's EVE.

Cool



You fTHINK?

How about infiltration on enemy corps? Betrayal? AWOZING, Stealing, Scamming, Incursions, Wormholes , infinitely huge conga lines..

its a sandbox.. the limit.. is your lack of imagination.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"

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#62 - 2013-11-01 18:51:55 UTC
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Jythier Smith
BGG Wolves
#63 - 2013-11-01 20:17:12 UTC
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Grendel Sickswitch wrote:
EVE players like to tell people how "complex" and "deep" the game is, and when you start it certainly seems that way, but after a few weeks it becomes apparent that the game is no more complex than most and in fact, less so than many.

In EVE there are 5 things you can do;

PVP
missions
gathering (mining, salvaging, exploration)
manufacture
trade

In addition there are a few hundred skills that enable you to be a tiny bit better at one of the 5 activities.

This all happens in a few hundred areas that are all essentially the same.

and that's EVE.

Cool



You fTHINK?

How about infiltration on enemy corps? Betrayal? AWOZING, Stealing, Scamming, Incursions, Wormholes , infinitely huge conga lines..

its a sandbox.. the limit.. is your lack of imagination.


Sounds like gathering stuff, destroying stuff, building stuff, and selling stuff to me. :D
Black Dranzer
#64 - 2013-11-01 22:03:15 UTC
Galen Darksmith wrote:
Yes, hitting the same 4-5 keys in rotation every few seconds with a few reaction based ones is totally more sophisticated than having to keep track of distance and traversal of all your adversaries to minimize their DPS on you while maxing DPS on the target.

For what it's worth, I was talking about PvP, not PvE. Mind you, PvE in Eve is an even bigger joke than it is in WoW; Case in point, AFK missioning in a Dominix was(is?) a thing, as is AFK mining. For all that can be said about WoW, at least you had to be at the keyboard to turn a profit.

Speaking of keyboard, I love this misconception that you only need to press 5 buttons in a WoW fight. It's like people played a warrior up to level 10 and went "Yep, this is how it stays the entire game". And, in a sense, it does; The gameplay certainly remains a basic constant. But in a good arena fight in WoW I've got 36 hotkeys at my fingertips and I need to use at least two thirds of them, and that's on classes that don't require much real skill. Positioning actually makes a far bigger difference when your server isn't running at 1FPS, too.

If Eve actually supported macros, you could probably reduce your combat interface to around 3-5 keys, depending on the ship.

And yes, it is true that fights in Eve are typically decided before combat even begins, but I don't consider that a point in Eve's favor.

I love Eve, and I support Eve, and I'll probably keep playing Eve (on and off) until the day the servers croak, but I am not blind to its flaws. I'm not blind to WoW's flaws, either. But right now we're not talking about WoW, we're talking about Eve.

And Eve's combat sucks.
Knights Armament
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#65 - 2013-11-01 22:14:56 UTC
Grendel Sickswitch wrote:
EVE players like to tell people how "complex" and "deep" the game is, and when you start it certainly seems that way, but after a few weeks it becomes apparent that the game is no more complex than most and in fact, less so than many.

In EVE there are 5 things you can do;

PVP
missions
gathering (mining, salvaging, exploration)
manufacture
trade

In addition there are a few hundred skills that enable you to be a tiny bit better at one of the 5 activities.

This all happens in a few hundred areas that are all essentially the same.

and that's EVE.

Cool



EvE is an online role playing game, you can experience it however you want. I like to play factions and talk to people, you can say its like a chatroom with graphics that you pay for, or you can say that its a game with potential that you keep subscribed to in the hope it will be a real **** pleaser in the future.

In world of warcraft you

que for pvp battleground
que for dungeon/raid
do daily quests for reputation grinding or gold
level up an alt to raid on
socialize with people in the game


except in eve, you can kill anyone, and people cry sometimes when they lose stuff. Also remember that EvE isn't the kind of game you just jump into for an hour a night because you want to be casual, you have to spend time to travel to a system and get a mission or pvp, its how an mmorpg was designed to be, an immersible time sink.


All games are really one trick ponies, in battlefield 4 I can play engineer,assault,support,recon, I can sit on a roof and snipe, fly a plane/helicopter drive a tank, or spawn on squadmates to revive them, I can capture control points/flags/pick up the bomb.

Games are not a replacement for real life yet unfortunately.
Grendel Sickswitch
#66 - 2013-11-01 22:20:58 UTC
EVE is essentially pong.

Cool
KnowUsByTheDead
Sunlight...Through The Blight.
#67 - 2013-11-01 22:44:23 UTC
Grendel Sickswitch wrote:
EVE is essentially pong.

Cool


If you are equating EvE to the progenitor of gaming, I would contend that EvE does in fact have a solid formula, which other MMO's should cull pieces from.

It essentially could be the progenitor of the future of MMO gaming.

So try again, kid. Blink

This is a battle you will never win.

Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense.

Richard Ramlrez
Doomheim
#68 - 2013-11-01 22:51:38 UTC
Grendel Sickswitch wrote:
EVE players like to tell people how "complex" and "deep" the game is, and when you start it certainly seems that way, but after a few weeks it becomes apparent that the game is no more complex than most and in fact, less so than many.

In EVE there are 5 things you can do;

PVP
missions
gathering (mining, salvaging, exploration)
manufacture
trade

In addition there are a few hundred skills that enable you to be a tiny bit better at one of the 5 activities.

This all happens in a few hundred areas that are all essentially the same.

and that's EVE.

Cool



In all other MMORPGs theres leveling to max level and endgame grind only. So EVE still wins if you out that way.
Grendel Sickswitch
#69 - 2013-11-01 22:55:27 UTC
Richard Ramlrez wrote:
Grendel Sickswitch wrote:
EVE players like to tell people how "complex" and "deep" the game is, and when you start it certainly seems that way, but after a few weeks it becomes apparent that the game is no more complex than most and in fact, less so than many.

In EVE there are 5 things you can do;

PVP
missions
gathering (mining, salvaging, exploration)
manufacture
trade

In addition there are a few hundred skills that enable you to be a tiny bit better at one of the 5 activities.

This all happens in a few hundred areas that are all essentially the same.

and that's EVE.

Cool



In all other MMORPGs theres leveling to max level and endgame grind only. So EVE still wins if you out that way.


true. you can never reach level cap.

but thanks for you cash every month!
Grendel Sickswitch
#70 - 2013-11-01 23:20:14 UTC
has anyone played plants versus zombies 2 yet?

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