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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#21 - 2013-11-01 04:56:00 UTC
Do note that when alliances are using battleship fleets, we frequently have titan bridges and/or jump bridges. Which can help a lot

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Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2013-11-01 05:04:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Cannibal Kane
oOReikaOo Michiko wrote:
Cannibal Kane wrote:
oOReikaOo Michiko wrote:
Cannibal Kane wrote:
I only undock my Battleships when I got a small fleet after me. Or when I'm close to my HQ where they are docked and I noticed a target in a battleship. They dont get alot of kills so if my BS's can get one it's always nice.

Depending on the fleet setup I would undock the best BS for that setup... weather it be a Vindi/Bhaal/ArmorMAC.

Aside from that I don't use them for much anything else. PVE is a foreign concept for me.


What would it take to get you to fly them more often? What about them makes you avoid them?


Did I say I avoid using them? They are not practical to hunt with unless you know what your facing when you head out to them? I like using them but they are there for very specific jobs and engagements.

I prefer flying my T3/T2 cruisers since they are quick, can lock fast, have Battleship Tanks and better with decent DPS.

I use my ships based on their abilities. Not because it is a certain hull.


So you would say that current battleships can have their jobs done just as well in other classes?


Seriously? What is wrong with you? I gather English is not your 1st, 2nd, 3rd or 4th language.

If that was the case I would not have battleships at all. I said they are there for very specific engagements and jobs. But I would not use a battleship to hunt a Cruiser since it is just not practical. But if multiple cruisers came after me then I would jump into a Vindi for example to web them one by one to quickly pop them.

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oOReikaOo Michiko
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2013-11-01 05:08:10 UTC
Quote:
I prefer flying my T3/T2 cruisers since they are quick, can lock fast, have Battleship Tanks and better with decent DPS.

I use my ships based on their abilities. Not because it is a certain hull.


So you would say that current battleships can have their jobs done just as well in other classes?[/quote]

Quote:
Seriously? What is wrong with you? I gather English is not your 1st, 2nd, 3rd or 4th language.

If that was the case I would not have battleships at all. I said they are there for very specific engagements and jobs. But I would not use a battleship to hunt a Cruiser since it is just not practical. But if multiple cruisers came after me then I would jump into a Vindi for example to web them one by one to quickly pop them.


Im sorry I was getting mixed signals, thankyou fro clarifying

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Job Valador
Professional Amateurs
#24 - 2013-11-01 05:32:13 UTC
when the HRML comes out i will be using the Armageddon alot more than i already do for solo pvp

"The stone exhibited a profound lack of movement."
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#25 - 2013-11-01 05:34:41 UTC
Job Valador wrote:
when the HRML comes out i will be using the Armageddon alot more than i already do for solo pvp


I actually use RLMLs myself on mine on occasion. Most of it's dps is not coming from the launchers anyway, so the extra utility to hunt down frigates thus far as been definitely worth it.

The HRML doesn't impress me in the same way. The Geddon already slaughters cruisers wholesale.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#26 - 2013-11-01 05:41:34 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
oOReikaOo Michiko wrote:
So things have died down on the forums a bit from all that other controversy (looking at you SOMER), I wanted to bring up something for discussion to see where this stands exactly. I've always been a fan of the hyperion everyone knows that, but what strikes me odd is that people seem to really avoid this class of ship, so I was wondering if I could get some community feedback on this subject.

1.How often would you say you use a battleship outside of PVE?
a.What role do you use it as
b.Do you find it as effective as the other classes of ships
c.If you dont use a battleship, why dont you?

2.How do you feel about the current state of battleships?
a.Do you think they are fine as is or need some sort of work done
b.If you think they need work. what mechanic would you alter?

3.With the upcoming changes, battleships will be even slower and more cumbersome, how do you think this will effect your choice of using or not using a battleship?

4.Are there specific battleships you think need to be reworked?

5.Whens the last time you flew a battleship outside of PVE?
a.Was it solo, gang, or in a fleet?
b.Did you get blown up?
c.Did you feel that it was the right ship for the job?

6.What do you think of the prices of battleships vs other ships?
a.Is the cost to gain ratio worth it?
b.Do you hesitate to fly it in pvp because of it?

7.Lastly, what do you fear most in a battleship, what on your overview makes you wish you had chosen a different ship the second you see it?

*Edit* Would really appreciate if a dev would pop in just to state how they feel about the current status of battleships. I'll take a "Working as intended" or "Thinking about it" :3




1. Never not Mega
a. Everything
b. yes
c. N/A

2. Healthy
a. I have few issues
b. I only need a way to fit a jump drive and a cov ops in order to take part n cap fleets and black ops

3. Frigate fleets will be problematic but I think I can still take part in cruiser fleets.

4. Teircide has yet to be finished.

5. Never not Mega
a. I do all 3
b. On average my Mega last 4 to 6 months. Longest serving was Delve mega that served for 10 months.
c. Always

6. I remember 60 mil Mega.
a. It is what it is
b. Not at all

7. Nothing.
oOReikaOo Michiko
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2013-11-01 05:48:05 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
oOReikaOo Michiko wrote:
So things have died down on the forums a bit from all that other controversy (looking at you SOMER), I wanted to bring up something for discussion to see where this stands exactly. I've always been a fan of the hyperion everyone knows that, but what strikes me odd is that people seem to really avoid this class of ship, so I was wondering if I could get some community feedback on this subject.

1.How often would you say you use a battleship outside of PVE?
a.What role do you use it as
b.Do you find it as effective as the other classes of ships
c.If you dont use a battleship, why dont you?

2.How do you feel about the current state of battleships?
a.Do you think they are fine as is or need some sort of work done
b.If you think they need work. what mechanic would you alter?

3.With the upcoming changes, battleships will be even slower and more cumbersome, how do you think this will effect your choice of using or not using a battleship?

4.Are there specific battleships you think need to be reworked?

5.Whens the last time you flew a battleship outside of PVE?
a.Was it solo, gang, or in a fleet?
b.Did you get blown up?
c.Did you feel that it was the right ship for the job?

6.What do you think of the prices of battleships vs other ships?
a.Is the cost to gain ratio worth it?
b.Do you hesitate to fly it in pvp because of it?

7.Lastly, what do you fear most in a battleship, what on your overview makes you wish you had chosen a different ship the second you see it?

*Edit* Would really appreciate if a dev would pop in just to state how they feel about the current status of battleships. I'll take a "Working as intended" or "Thinking about it" :3




1. Never not Mega
a. Everything
b. yes
c. N/A

2. Healthy
a. I have few issues
b. I only need a way to fit a jump drive and a cov ops in order to take part n cap fleets and black ops

3. Frigate fleets will be problematic but I think I can still take part in cruiser fleets.

4. Teircide has yet to be finished.

5. Never not Mega
a. I do all 3
b. On average my Mega last 4 to 6 months. Longest serving was Delve mega that served for 10 months.
c. Always

6. I remember 60 mil Mega.
a. It is what it is
b. Not at all

7. Nothing.


Love the confidence! Wish there were more pilots who saw battleships like you do! Thankyou for your input

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfSDNPFCPfY
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#28 - 2013-11-01 05:54:11 UTC
oOReikaOo Michiko wrote:
Do you think that needs to be changed? Or do you feel thats fine the way it is and battleships should be the niche they are currently, situational.


From the thread, you can see that people love their AFK station camping Dominix fleets, and their Megathrons. Battleships are far too expensive for me to use in PvP given the types of PvP I usually see (on this character, hisec wardecs from misguided fools desperately trying to teach me to PvP).

I can't comment on whether or how to change BS for PvP since I don't use them and don't see situations where it would make sense for me to use them.

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oOReikaOo Michiko
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2013-11-01 05:57:25 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
oOReikaOo Michiko wrote:
Do you think that needs to be changed? Or do you feel thats fine the way it is and battleships should be the niche they are currently, situational.


From the thread, you can see that people love their AFK station camping Dominix fleets, and their Megathrons. Battleships are far too expensive for me to use in PvP given the types of PvP I usually see (on this character, hisec wardecs from misguided fools desperately trying to teach me to PvP).

I can't comment on whether or how to change BS for PvP since I don't use them and don't see situations where it would make sense for me to use them.


What if someone gave you and your friends some free BS's to fly around it? Would you be willing to go get them blown up?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfSDNPFCPfY
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#30 - 2013-11-01 05:58:37 UTC
Pff… what kind of a silly person trains battleships anyway?
Baali Tekitsu
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
#31 - 2013-11-01 06:12:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Baali Tekitsu
oOReikaOo Michiko wrote:
So things have died down on the forums a bit from all that other controversy (looking at you SOMER), I wanted to bring up something for discussion to see where this stands exactly. I've always been a fan of the hyperion everyone knows that, but what strikes me odd is that people seem to really avoid this class of ship, so I was wondering if I could get some community feedback on this subject.

1.How often would you say you use a battleship outside of PVE?
a.What role do you use it as
b.Do you find it as effective as the other classes of ships
c.If you dont use a battleship, why dont you?

2.How do you feel about the current state of battleships?
a.Do you think they are fine as is or need some sort of work done
b.If you think they need work. what mechanic would you alter?

3.With the upcoming changes, battleships will be even slower and more cumbersome, how do you think this will effect your choice of using or not using a battleship?

4.Are there specific battleships you think need to be reworked?

5.Whens the last time you flew a battleship outside of PVE?
a.Was it solo, gang, or in a fleet?
b.Did you get blown up?
c.Did you feel that it was the right ship for the job?

6.What do you think of the prices of battleships vs other ships?
a.Is the cost to gain ratio worth it?
b.Do you hesitate to fly it in pvp because of it?

7.Lastly, what do you fear most in a battleship, what on your overview makes you wish you had chosen a different ship the second you see it?

*Edit* Would really appreciate if a dev would pop in just to state how they feel about the current status of battleships. I'll take a "Working as intended" or "Thinking about it" :3


1. I don't use them at all, but that's more because I cant fly any of them besides Amarr properly (Amarr BS suck for solo)
2. Overall they are fine
3. Never gonna fly without a scout again
4. TEMPEST
5. I suicided a ECCM apocalypse into a Sabre/Falcon camp, efficiency brake even favoring me because I had fat insurance payout
6. As they are insurable I would always chose to fly a Armageddon instead of a Curse , when you can fly them theyre definatly better than smaller hulls.
7. Being tackled off gate is pretty bad, everything else is fine.

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oOReikaOo Michiko
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2013-11-01 06:14:41 UTC
Baali Tekitsu wrote:
oOReikaOo Michiko wrote:
So things have died down on the forums a bit from all that other controversy (looking at you SOMER), I wanted to bring up something for discussion to see where this stands exactly. I've always been a fan of the hyperion everyone knows that, but what strikes me odd is that people seem to really avoid this class of ship, so I was wondering if I could get some community feedback on this subject.

1.How often would you say you use a battleship outside of PVE?
a.What role do you use it as
b.Do you find it as effective as the other classes of ships
c.If you dont use a battleship, why dont you?

2.How do you feel about the current state of battleships?
a.Do you think they are fine as is or need some sort of work done
b.If you think they need work. what mechanic would you alter?

3.With the upcoming changes, battleships will be even slower and more cumbersome, how do you think this will effect your choice of using or not using a battleship?

4.Are there specific battleships you think need to be reworked?

5.Whens the last time you flew a battleship outside of PVE?
a.Was it solo, gang, or in a fleet?
b.Did you get blown up?
c.Did you feel that it was the right ship for the job?

6.What do you think of the prices of battleships vs other ships?
a.Is the cost to gain ratio worth it?
b.Do you hesitate to fly it in pvp because of it?

7.Lastly, what do you fear most in a battleship, what on your overview makes you wish you had chosen a different ship the second you see it?

*Edit* Would really appreciate if a dev would pop in just to state how they feel about the current status of battleships. I'll take a "Working as intended" or "Thinking about it" :3


1. I don't use them at all, but that's more because I cant fly any of them besides Amarr properly (Amarr BS suck for solo)
2. Overall they are fine
3. Never gonna fly without a scout again
4. TEMPEST
5. I suicided a ECCM apocalypse into a Sabre/Falcon camp, efficiency brake even favoring me because I had fat insurance payout
6. As they are insurable I would always chose to fly a Armageddon instead of a Curse , when you can fly them theyre definatly better than smaller hulls.
7. Being tackled off gate is pretty bad, everything else is fine.



Thankyou for your input

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfSDNPFCPfY
Galen Darksmith
Sky Fighters
Rote Kapelle
#33 - 2013-11-01 06:54:48 UTC

1.How often would you say you use a battleship outside of PVE?

I don't use battleships for PvE. Living in a wormhole, their common use is for home defense and rolling the static

a.What role do you use it as

Neuting Bhaalgorns are probably the big one in most wormhole, with Geddons being the cheaper version.

b.Do you find it as effective as the other classes of ships

Works well for what it does with good EHP.

2.How do you feel about the current state of battleships?

a.Do you think they are fine as is or need some sort of work done

Given where I live, it would take a lot of buffs to make battleships common for me to use, to the point that they'd have to be ridiculously overpowered.

3.With the upcoming changes, battleships will be even slower and more cumbersome, how do you think this will effect your choice of using or not using a battleship?

No effect.

4.Are there specific battleships you think need to be reworked?

I'd say Raven, but the RHMLs might just turn that around. We'll see.

5.Whens the last time you flew a battleship outside of PVE?

Few days ago? Hole rolling.

a.Was it solo, gang, or in a fleet?

Gang.

b.Did you get blown up?

Nope.,

c.Did you feel that it was the right ship for the job?

Yup. Then again, that's a function of it's mass, not it's usefulness in PvP, so... v0v

"EVE is a dark and harsh world, you're supposed to feel a bit worried and slightly angry when you log in, you're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, that's what hello kitty online is for." -CCP Wrangler
oOReikaOo Michiko
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2013-11-01 06:57:58 UTC
Galen Darksmith wrote:

1.How often would you say you use a battleship outside of PVE?

I don't use battleships for PvE. Living in a wormhole, their common use is for home defense and rolling the static

a.What role do you use it as

Neuting Bhaalgorns are probably the big one in most wormhole, with Geddons being the cheaper version.

b.Do you find it as effective as the other classes of ships

Works well for what it does with good EHP.

2.How do you feel about the current state of battleships?

a.Do you think they are fine as is or need some sort of work done

Given where I live, it would take a lot of buffs to make battleships common for me to use, to the point that they'd have to be ridiculously overpowered.

3.With the upcoming changes, battleships will be even slower and more cumbersome, how do you think this will effect your choice of using or not using a battleship?

No effect.

4.Are there specific battleships you think need to be reworked?

I'd say Raven, but the RHMLs might just turn that around. We'll see.

5.Whens the last time you flew a battleship outside of PVE?

Few days ago? Hole rolling.

a.Was it solo, gang, or in a fleet?

Gang.

b.Did you get blown up?

Nope.,

c.Did you feel that it was the right ship for the job?

Yup. Then again, that's a function of it's mass, not it's usefulness in PvP, so... v0v


Thanks very much for your input , at least its a cool looking mass ship :3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfSDNPFCPfY
Evangelina Nolen
Sama Guild
#35 - 2013-11-01 07:06:16 UTC
Outside of nueting & sentry drone shens, BS hulls in solo/small gang PVP are outclassed. In larger fleets with multiple traige carriers & support vessels{ 90% webs, 40% painters, scram}; they'll murder pretty much any subcap fleet with ease.
oOReikaOo Michiko
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2013-11-01 07:08:45 UTC
Evangelina Nolen wrote:
Outside of nueting & sentry drone shens, BS hulls in solo/small gang PVP are outclassed. In larger fleets with multiple traige carriers & support vessels{ 90% webs, 40% painters, scram}; they'll murder pretty much any subcap fleet with ease.


What about larger fleets, dreads , carriers , titans? Any business on that battlefield?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfSDNPFCPfY
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#37 - 2013-11-01 07:38:02 UTC
oOReikaOo Michiko wrote:
What if someone gave you and your friends some free BS's to fly around it? Would you be willing to go get them blown up?


… what kind of question is that! Free stuff? Yay! Lol

Hell, I'd even fly for Goons if they offered an endless supply of free ships in which I could gallantly fly into battle on their behalf. I wouldn't necessarily agree with their philosophy or ideals, but as the guy says in the Raven + Cruise Missile porn flick, "if the price is right, I'll set the universe on fire."

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Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2013-11-01 07:39:36 UTC
oOReikaOo Michiko wrote:
Evangelina Nolen wrote:
Outside of nueting & sentry drone shens, BS hulls in solo/small gang PVP are outclassed. In larger fleets with multiple traige carriers & support vessels{ 90% webs, 40% painters, scram}; they'll murder pretty much any subcap fleet with ease.


What about larger fleets, dreads , carriers , titans? Any business on that battlefield?


Yes, the get more important as supers hit the field, people don't like their big rifters being talked.
oOReikaOo Michiko
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2013-11-01 07:51:47 UTC
Onictus wrote:
oOReikaOo Michiko wrote:
Evangelina Nolen wrote:
Outside of nueting & sentry drone shens, BS hulls in solo/small gang PVP are outclassed. In larger fleets with multiple traige carriers & support vessels{ 90% webs, 40% painters, scram}; they'll murder pretty much any subcap fleet with ease.


What about larger fleets, dreads , carriers , titans? Any business on that battlefield?


Yes, the get more important as supers hit the field, people don't like their big rifters being talked.


Can you elaborate?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfSDNPFCPfY
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2013-11-01 07:57:33 UTC
oOReikaOo Michiko wrote:
Onictus wrote:
oOReikaOo Michiko wrote:
Evangelina Nolen wrote:
Outside of nueting & sentry drone shens, BS hulls in solo/small gang PVP are outclassed. In larger fleets with multiple traige carriers & support vessels{ 90% webs, 40% painters, scram}; they'll murder pretty much any subcap fleet with ease.


What about larger fleets, dreads , carriers , titans? Any business on that battlefield?


Yes, the get more important as supers hit the field, people don't like their big rifters being talked.

Can you elaborate?


Like any other ship, supers can be zerged down.......if you.can keep them on the field.....in order to do that you need a sub-cap fleet, and normally that would be a battleship doctrine.