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Exchange programme announced between Elusenia and Khanid Duchy of Palas

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Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
#21 - 2013-10-31 18:30:57 UTC
I'm having a hard time thinking of someone I envy less than either of these two groupings. It'll never end well.

Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.

Morijah d'Hanguest
Ishtirak d'Hanguest
#22 - 2013-10-31 18:56:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Morijah d'Hanguest
In the Name of the Lord


To the Interested Public,

you may rest assured that all necessary measures are taken that this academic exchange will be an interesting and stimulation experience for all participating parties. The Khanid Kingdom has always been open to interstellar exchange and is very experienced in dealing with the dynamics of interstellar interaction.

The measures taken include appropriate security procedures and screenings, continuous monitoring and evaluations. In addition, a manual of proper conduct will be handed out to the arriving Elusenian exchange students, and special tutors from the ducal seminary’s missionary department will be assigned to help the students acculturating. The failure to obey local law will be persecuted without recognising any special rights and cultural differences.

Notwithstanding ill-advised voices, Her Grace the Duchess is convinced that the exchange programme between the Duchy of Palas and the Cooperative Republic of Elusenia—in a spirit of mutual interest and the desire for knowledge and education—will be a success and add to the spreading of the Word.

Yours sincerely,
Morijah d’Hanguest
Chancellor of the Ducal Council

P.S.: Ms Shahni, we would like to point out that the current director of the Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque, Ms Nicoletta Mithra, is a University of Caille alumni. Since you had nothing more to say, we are sure that you find new employment in a—pertaining to your views—less corrupted environment.
Augustus Inhonores
Elusenian Cooperative
#23 - 2013-10-31 19:11:58 UTC
On behalf of the Director of Education and the University of Elusenia, I seek to clarify personally the competitive nature of the exchange programme's application process. Academic scores and interview performance is not enough to successfully win a place on the programme. The assessment of personality is prime, to the point that poor scoring can be overcome by demonstrating a positive moral character, and inversely a relatively less positive moral character can undermine a high score. Consequentially, only students who can demonstrate their cultural flexibility will be shortlisted. Students who can already speak the Amarrian or Khanid language will also be shortlisted presuming all other prerequisites are met.

Augustus Inhonores
Director-General
Cooperative Republic of Elusenia
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#24 - 2013-10-31 20:38:16 UTC
If you choose to call educated and experienced feedback "ill advised voices" then the manners of Her Grace's hall are much reduced of late.

I actually attended a six month duty rotation in the Kingdom.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Morijah d'Hanguest
Ishtirak d'Hanguest
#25 - 2013-10-31 20:56:47 UTC
In the Name of the Lord


Colonel Tuulinen,

your voice and those of our allies in the State is always dulcet and welcome to us. By no means we were referring to you.

Yours sincerely,
Morijah d’Hanguest
Chancellor of the Ducal Council
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#26 - 2013-10-31 21:06:57 UTC
Morijah d'Hanguest wrote:
In the Name of the Lord


Colonel Tuulinen,

your voice and those of our allies in the State is always dulcet and welcome to us. By no means we were referring to you.

Yours sincerely,
Morijah d’Hanguest
Chancellor of the Ducal Council


My, now that is more like my recollection of courtly Kingdom manners. My apologies for the misunderstanding.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Odelya d'Hanguest
Order of St. Severian
#27 - 2013-11-01 14:39:11 UTC
Interesting, isn’t it, when confronted with arguments, Gaven Lok’ri ducks and covers. Or is he on his way to Dam-Torsad already? Maybe I forgot that the battle cry of PIE Inc. also includes turning a blind eye on evidence.

Regards,
Odelya Negin Intourtsetseg of House d’Hanguest
Gaven Lok'ri
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#28 - 2013-11-01 17:55:41 UTC
Or perhaps I have better things to do than monitor all of your posts constantly.

As for your argument: you are comparing fedos to slaver hounds.

Heideran's treaties were made when the Empire was not in a state of war with the Federation. The incursion into Kor-Azor that you mention merely highlights the fact that you are inviting nationals from a state that is at war with the Amarr into Khanid territory. Neither is comparable to starting an exchange program in the middle of a war.

Also, intellectual exchange is only a virtue when you propogate good ideas through the intellectual exchange. When false ideas are propogated it become

Admiral of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Divine Commodore 24th Imperial Crusade

Holder. Vassal of the Emperor Family

Odelya d'Hanguest
Order of St. Severian
#29 - 2013-11-01 18:14:08 UTC
Gaven Lok'ri wrote:
Or perhaps I have better things to do than monitor all of your posts constantly.

Oh. Really? After reviewing your recent activity I was under the impression that you haven’t.

Gaven Lok'ri wrote:
Heideran's treaties were made when the Empire was not in a state of war with the Federation. The incursion into Kor-Azor that you mention merely highlights the fact that you are inviting nationals from a state that is at war with the Amarr into Khanid territory. Neither is comparable to starting an exchange program in the middle of a war.

Now it gets tricky. You are using a misdeed—some would say treasonous act—of your Empress to justify your criticism. Still that wasn’t my question. What is your opinion about an Empress that allows the Federal Navy to attack Imperial citizens?

And I remind you, you wrote:
Gaven Lok'ri wrote:
The Gallente way of thought is a cancer that should be kept away from faithful Amarrians at all costs.

So when the Gallente way of thought is a cancer that at all costs should be kept away from faithful Amarrians why does it matter if the Empire is at war or not with the Federation when making such a treaty?

Gaven Lok'ri wrote:
Also, intellectual exchange is only a virtue when you propogate good ideas through the intellectual exchange.

Such as spreading of the Word?

Regards,
Odelya Negin Intourtsetseg of House d’Hanguest
Gaven Lok'ri
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#30 - 2013-11-01 18:49:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Gaven Lok'ri
Odelya d'Hanguest wrote:
Gaven Lok'ri wrote:
Or perhaps I have better things to do than monitor all of your posts constantly.

Oh. Really? After reviewing your recent activity I was under the impression that you haven’t.


Do you really think that talking on this cesspool is my primary duty?

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What is your opinion about an Empress that allows the Federal Navy to attack Imperial citizens?


We are at war. Attacks across the borders of a nation at war are not exactly rare; sometimes those attacks succeed. Your argument of treason carries no water and shows a basic ignorance of how war works.

Quote:

Such as spreading of the Word?


If you were propagating the word rather than heretical lies, it would be a start towards you acting your station. I expect, however, that you will continue acting like a spoiled brat who wants attention and will continue to embrace any scheme or heresy that might cause her to receive attention.

Admiral of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Divine Commodore 24th Imperial Crusade

Holder. Vassal of the Emperor Family

Andrea Okazon
Laurentson INC
#31 - 2013-11-01 19:43:49 UTC
I wish both parties the best of luck and all success in their studies. Exposure to different cultures is a powerful contributor to personal growth.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#32 - 2013-11-01 20:42:41 UTC
Andrea Okazon wrote:
I wish both parties the best of luck and all success in their studies. Exposure to different cultures is a powerful contributor to personal growth.


Just so long as someone keeps the trimming shears handy...

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Odelya d'Hanguest
Order of St. Severian
#33 - 2013-11-01 22:17:04 UTC
Gaven Lok'ri wrote:
Do you really think that talking on this cesspool is my primary duty?

Yes.

Gaven Lok'ri wrote:
We are at war. Attacks across the borders of a nation at war are not exactly rare; sometimes those attacks succeed. Your argument of treason carries no water and shows a basic ignorance of how war works.

Please, don’t play stupid. Consult the history books:

Quote:
A week later, Federation Navy ships crossed into the Amarr Empire through Aridia.The Imperial Navy allowed the ships to travel unmolested, though they scrambled and followed the foreign fleet. The Federation ships eventually made their way to Kador Prime, where they began assaulting several Kador stations. The Amarr Navy continued to remain passive, sitting on standby three systems away while private ships aligned with the Kador Family engaged the invaders. The intense fighting ended almost as soon as it began, with the Federation fleet withdrawing suddenly.

It was eventually revealed that a traitorous admiral wanted for crimes against the Federation was being harbored by Uriam Kador. The strike was carried out to retrieve the admiral, a mission that was successful. Considering the lack of retaliation by the Amarr Navy, it was widely assumed that Empress Jamyl I gave permission for the Federation actions.

And again you haven’t answered my questions. Why did Heideran VII sign numerous treaties with the Gallente if “the Gallente way of thought is a cancer that should be kept away from faithful Amarrians at all costs”? (And why did he accept the Aidonis award?)

Gaven Lok'ri wrote:
If you were propagating the word rather than heretical lies, it would be a start towards you acting your station. I expect, however, that you will continue acting like a spoiled brat who wants attention and will continue to embrace any scheme or heresy that might cause her to receive attention.

If you were propagating anything that goes beyond blind, unquestioning and silly obedience clothed in ossified and pretentious affectation, I will probably reconsider taking your words serious. Until that I advise you to repent for your lies and treacherous slander.

Regards,
Odelya Negin Intourtsetseg of House d’Hanguest
Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#34 - 2013-11-01 22:54:36 UTC
Now everyone calm down, it's an academic exchange. Surely, if we're considering the current skirmishes and legislated warfare a true war, then peace is only going to come through understanding. While, on the one hand, it may give people bad ideas in both groups, it might be that they absorb the benefits of each others' cultures and ignore their ills. All things are possible when people take their education seriously.

I have high hopes for these exchanges. If cultural exchange was impossible and worthy only of the axe, I would have lost my head years ago.

"What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"

-Matthew 16:26

Gaven Lok'ri
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#35 - 2013-11-02 03:28:58 UTC
Really, do you believe everything you read now? That explains why you could be suckered in by the Tetrimon's nonsense.

As for Heideran, those were different times. God willed that Amarr work for peace for that century and Heideran worked with him. We are no longer at peace, thanks to the treachery of the Matari and the economic support the Gallente give to the Matari. While Heideran worked for Peace, he did not work to introduce Gallente ideas into Amarrian Culture.

The fact that you want to chose your own path rather than be obedient to the Amarrian order is why you are a heretic. It is selfish and stupid and not befitting a holder of a noble title. You don't even seem to be obedient to your King, otherwise you wouldn't follow the Tetrimonic nonsense or work to ferment discord between Kingdom and Empire at a time in which King Khanid is working for exactly the opposite.



Admiral of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Divine Commodore 24th Imperial Crusade

Holder. Vassal of the Emperor Family

Rioghal Morgan
Pixel Navigators
AimogMart
#36 - 2013-11-02 04:30:23 UTC
The cries of distress at this idea from the Amarr in this thread are enough to make me want this endeavor to succeed.
Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
#37 - 2013-11-02 08:17:00 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
An exchange of impressionable young students between two nation states that are ostensibly at war?


Technically, I don't believe the Kingdom is at war with anyone.

I'd need to check, but I believe Gallente militia pilots can enter Kingdom high security space legally and that there are no contested Kingdom/Federation systems. Attacking Imperial ships can lower your standing with the Kingdom to the point where you're not allowed in Kingdom space, but that's because you're a criminal, not an enemy combatant.

Of course, now someone far more knowledgeable than I will come along.

Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's.

Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#38 - 2013-11-02 10:40:11 UTC
Makkal Hanaya wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
An exchange of impressionable young students between two nation states that are ostensibly at war?


Technically, I don't believe the Kingdom is at war with anyone.

I'd need to check, but I believe Gallente militia pilots can enter Kingdom high security space legally and that there are no contested Kingdom/Federation systems. Attacking Imperial ships can lower your standing with the Kingdom to the point where you're not allowed in Kingdom space, but that's because you're a criminal, not an enemy combatant.

Of course, now someone far more knowledgeable than I will come along.


The last time I checked that was true, the same way it is true in Mandate space.

Gaven Lok'ri wrote:

As for Heideran, those were different times. God willed that Amarr work for peace for that century and Heideran worked with him. We are no longer at peace, thanks to the treachery of the Matari and the economic support the Gallente give to the Matari. While Heideran worked for Peace, he did not work to introduce Gallente ideas into Amarrian Culture.




If I understand correctly sir, Heideran did not work to introduce Gallente ideas into Amarrian Culture. And allying with them would go against that ?

You do not need to introduce the ideas of a culture in yours to be allied with someone. Would you say that the Caldari culture impregnated the Amarrian one, following your logic ? I find the idea disturbing. Are you sure of what you seem to imply ?
Odelya d'Hanguest
Order of St. Severian
#39 - 2013-11-02 12:01:23 UTC
Gaven Lok'ri wrote:
Really, do you believe everything you read now? That explains why you could be suckered in by the Tetrimon's nonsense.

I examine my sources and independently judge them in the light of tradition and reason, which cannot be said of you. All you do is write apologetics of why the deeds of emperors were always good. You have created a new Zaragram, and like his name, yours and those of all who follow the blasphemers, will be struck from the Book of Records when the upstanding emerge victorious.

Gaven Lok'ri wrote:
We are no longer at peace, thanks to the treachery of the Matari and the economic support the Gallente give to the Matari.

It is lamentable, but it is the truth. Foreign political machinations forced the Empire into a limited renewal of its sacred duty, the Reclaiming. Not ex scripturis, not ex pietate the Reclaiming was relaunched but ex accidente. Blessed are the righteous Khanid who had not to endure the profane reign of Heideran VII, these sorrowful decades of decline and depravity. I love the Kingdom and the Empire with all my heart and I pray for the day when the vice-ridden usurpers will be smitten.

Gaven Lok'ri wrote:
The fact that you want to chose your own path rather than be obedient to the Amarrian order is why you are a heretic. It is selfish and stupid and not befitting a holder of a noble title. You don't even seem to be obedient to your King, otherwise you wouldn't follow the Tetrimonic nonsense or work to ferment discord between Kingdom and Empire at a time in which King Khanid is working for exactly the opposite.

From the blasphemous paradox of putting the Emperor into God’s place, comes all your failure and delusion. You are not worthy of calling yourself Amarr. You are a corrupted and self-righteous idolater. A pagan has more worth than you and your entire rotten organisation.

Down with the Usurpers of Holy and Eternal Amarr!
Odelya Negin Intourtsetseg of House d’Hanguest
Gaven Lok'ri
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#40 - 2013-11-02 12:25:22 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:
Makkal Hanaya wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
An exchange of impressionable young students between two nation states that are ostensibly at war?


Technically, I don't believe the Kingdom is at war with anyone.

I'd need to check, but I believe Gallente militia pilots can enter Kingdom high security space legally and that there are no contested Kingdom/Federation systems. Attacking Imperial ships can lower your standing with the Kingdom to the point where you're not allowed in Kingdom space, but that's because you're a criminal, not an enemy combatant.

Of course, now someone far more knowledgeable than I will come along.


The last time I checked that was true, the same way it is true in Mandate space.

Gaven Lok'ri wrote:

As for Heideran, those were different times. God willed that Amarr work for peace for that century and Heideran worked with him. We are no longer at peace, thanks to the treachery of the Matari and the economic support the Gallente give to the Matari. While Heideran worked for Peace, he did not work to introduce Gallente ideas into Amarrian Culture.




If I understand correctly sir, Heideran did not work to introduce Gallente ideas into Amarrian Culture. And allying with them would go against that ?

You do not need to introduce the ideas of a culture in yours to be allied with someone. Would you say that the Caldari culture impregnated the Amarrian one, following your logic ? I find the idea disturbing. Are you sure of what you seem to imply ?


I think you are misreading my comments. I believe we agree.

Odelya was the one suggesting that Heideran's treaty with the Gallente was equivalent to her sponsoring Gallente scholars to come to Amarr and study Amarrian religion like a bug under a microscope.

Admiral of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Divine Commodore 24th Imperial Crusade

Holder. Vassal of the Emperor Family

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